If NYCFC makes the final...

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Roger Allaway, Sep 30, 2019.

  1. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    Or they could just build their own place like was promised many years ago ;)

    I remember being hit pretty hard on here, when I expressed doubt they would have a stadium in the timeline that was originally presented. Well here we sit going on 5 years since they started and over 6 years since they were awarded a team.
     
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  2. Ferdinand Cesarano

    NYCFC
    Sep 21, 2005
    New York City
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    That's right. The fact that the Yankees are willing to remove the pitcher's mound for college football games, but not for the games of a team of which they are part owners, is nothing short of absurd.

    The most natural configuration for a soccer pitch in a baseball stadium is with one of the corners near home plate.

    Fenway Park
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    Dodger Stadium
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    Busch Stadium
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    Wrigley Field
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    If the Yankees had simply done this, then the pitch at Yankee Stadium would be a normal size.

    Baseball stadiums used to routinely host football games; and there were no problems with the mounds. Removing and replacing the pitcher's mound is a trivial matter. It's not conceivable that a process which grounds crews had mastered 40, 50, 60 years ago is suddenly an issue in 2019.

    Anyway, NYCFC consistently have one of the best home records in the league; so they have turned the small pitch into an advantage.


    Not if they want to play within New York City, and in a spot that accessible to transit.

    Perhaps one day the Willets Point chop shops will be cleared out; that would be a good spot for a stadium. Even better would be above the Sunnyside Train Yards.

    But those are fantasies. As things stand currently, it's Yankee Stadium indefinitely. And that isn't a bad thing, even given the ridiculous pitcher's mound situation.
     
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  3. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eh, only three things about NYCFC irk me. The stadium situation sucks, and everyone deserves a better solution. The coach is a dick. And the ********ing Nazis.
     
  4. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Want a cookie?
     
  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Blackburn are still the only team to lift the EPL trophy at Anfield.

    (BTW, today is the anniversary of the first American goal in the EPL, when Wegerle scored his first for Rovers)
     
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  6. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Raise your hand if you are surprised that the Yankees care only about the Yankees and only appear to care about other things that are not the Yankees.
     
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  7. Ferdinand Cesarano

    NYCFC
    Sep 21, 2005
    New York City
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    If that were the case, then the Yankees would not have bought into NYCFC in the first place, or continued to be its part owners for five years, or allowed it to play at Yankee Stadium.

    To do all of that on the one hand, while, on the other hand, failing to protect the date of the championship game, is an inconsistency that is indeed surprising.
     
  8. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am disappointed in almost every response in this thread. We were given a perfect set up in the thread title - "If NYCFC makes the final . . ." - and all we're talking about is the implications of the field itself. So many ways to go!
     
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  9. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    Why are the Yankees part owners of NYCFC? It seems like they don't care at all about the team.
     
  10. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    They let them use the stadium rent-free.
     
  11. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I remember reading that NYCFC pays rent for Yankee stadium so it might not even be free after all. Don't know how legit or how that even works as Yankees are owners too.
     
  12. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Well companies pay themselves rent often. It's a tax thing.
     
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  13. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only 25%. So maybe Sheikh Mansour. Khaldoon Al Mubarak is paying 75% of the rent.
     
  14. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    Yeah, no
     
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  15. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Hey, my first post went in that direction!
     
  16. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except that those college football games take place AFTER the MLB season and post season has concluded......The Yankees are the Yankees first priority, shocking I know.
     
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  17. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Soccer fans are weirdly both extremely insecure and entitled.
     
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  18. Ferdinand Cesarano

    NYCFC
    Sep 21, 2005
    New York City
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    That makes no difference. As I mentioned, the removal of the pitcher's mound is a trivial matter.

    Furthermore, the Yankee Stadium mound was removed in May of 2013 for the friendly between Manchester City and Chelsea (where the relationship between Man City and the Yankees presumably began):

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    Indeed, every game pictured above took place during the baseball season.

    So the point remains that the Yankees could easily remove the pitcher's mound for NYCFC matches. Their refusal to do so in inexplicable.
     
  19. Quinn 33

    Quinn 33 Member+

    Apr 25, 2003
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually it seems quite explicable. It's because they're lazy and they don't give a shit.
     
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  20. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Every counter-example of the Yankees removing the mound is for a one-off. NYCFC plays 20 home games a year.
     
  21. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    but they would only have to do it 7 times (regular season), because they a have 2-3 game home stands and 4-2 game home stands.

    Of course it would happen more often in the playoffs (if both are still playing), but doable. At least in my opinion, but my opinion means shit to them.
     
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  22. Ferdinand Cesarano

    NYCFC
    Sep 21, 2005
    New York City
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    OK. But that raises the question: why would people who don't give a shit buy into the team in the first place, and continue to own it for all these years?
     
  23. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Someone will say it, so I'll beat them to it.

    $$$$$

    Not sure what that means in this context, but like I said someone would have said it.
     
  24. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You've all convinced me that this scenario REALLY needs to happen!
     
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  25. Ferdinand Cesarano

    NYCFC
    Sep 21, 2005
    New York City
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    You're saying that the Yankees make money from owning their share of NYCFC. Fine. But this still leaves unexplained why the Yankees would be unwilling to accommodate something that is making them money.

    Of course, the mound thing is relatively minor; the narrow pitch as forced by the presence of the pitcher's mound is obviously not hurting NYCFC, who have one of the league's best home records. The bigger issue is the displacement of the MLS Cup final. We know that NYCFC pay the Yankees a large sum of money for each game they play at Yankee Stadium. Therefore, it is clearly in the Yankees' interest to reschedule the Rutgers game for another date later in the season, rather than forcing NYCFC to play elsewhere, and losing that payment.

    No matter how you slice it, there is a baffling inconsistency here on the part of the Yankees.


    Side issue, perhaps for another discussion: Yankee Stadium is owned by the City; the Yankees are tenants (even thought they pay no rent as a result of a lease that rips off the public). So why are people — be it NYCFC or Rutgers or anyone else — paying rent to the Yankees, rather than to the City, in order to use the Stadium? More fundamentally, why are the Yankees in charge of who rents the Stadium? When the real Yankee Stadium was being refurbished in 1974 and 1975, the Yankees played at Shea Stadium, over the objection of the Mets. Shea Stadium was owned by the City; so the City made the decision. In the lease the City signed with the Yankees for the new Yankee Stadium, did the City give away not only rent revenue and property tax revenue, but also the right to control its own property?
     

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