Ranking of '01 and Later Prospects

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by ussoccer97531, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I'd like to know what everyone thinks.

    How would you rank players from '01 on? Use whatever criteria you'd like and include whoever you'd like. Stick to the parameters of '01 and on. What would your top 10, 15, 20 (or pick a number) look like?
     
  2. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know how Ochoa is our best goalkeeper. He played twice for Real Monarchs and was not good.
     
  3. Lookingforleftbacks

    Galaxy
    United States
    Dec 17, 2016
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Funny, I was just coming to the site to find the “current top 20 prospects” thread. I think I like that thread better, so I am going to post there...
     
  4. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    I like the idea of focusing on just the youngens so that it is truly a prospect list. The issue is that I'm probably not fully aware of the pool of players that we're talking about. @ussoccer97531, how about a "player bank" (listed by birth year and alphabetically would be ideal) that people could work from?
     
  5. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A 23-man roster might look something like:

    GK (3): Las, Ochoa, Odunze
    DF (8): Scally, Bello, Cuevas, Hernandez; Judge, Araujo, Otasowie, Leone
    CM/DM (4): Booth, Atencio, Vassilev, Busio
    Attackers (8): De la Fuente, Llanez, Reyna, Hoffmann, Ocampo-Chavez, D. Lopez, Nyeman, Rotundo

    Obviously there were some tough cuts that I wouldn't argue against at all if they were included -- Pynadath, Fuentes, Toure, Freeman, Hategan, etc. A pure ranking instead of a roster might lean more toward the attackers. And at least for now, I'm not going to include Balogun, M. Tillman, Alvarez, etc.
     
  6. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Here would be my 30 man short-list.

    '01: de la Fuente, Booth, Araujo, Akanyirige, Llanez, Stojanovic, Roberts, Tessman, Otasowie
    '02: Las, Scally, Bello, Gray, Judge, Alejandre, Hernandez-Foster, Atencio, Saldana, Reyna, Ocampo-Chavez
    '03: Nyeman, Cuevas, Pepi, Gomez, Hall, Sarver, Freeman
    '04: Rotundo, Toure, Craig

    I'll make a top 20. I'll split my explanations into groups of 5.

    1. Nyeman
    2. de la Fuente
    3. Las
    4. Scally
    5. Booth

    Nyeman is first and I see a huge gap between him and everyone else. Positionally plays a very important position, game to game impact is the highest on the list, very few weaknesses, many strengths. I think de la Fuente is likely to have a very good career, but I don't know if I see the potential to play for one of the best clubs in the world. He's just a little too predictable in his chance creation, and not quite athletic enough for that to not matter. Also plays on the side instead of centrally, so less important position. Considering age, current ability, style of play, probably the surest thing "good" player.

    Las is a great keeper prospect. I could see an argument that he's higher than de la Fuente talent-wise (and close to Nyeman), but way more unpredictable position and development path because of his position. Scally has a very high floor because of his all-around great athleticism and defensive IQ. He's probably #2 among "sure thing", but he plays on the side, and I'm not sure the potential is there (due to his touch and average offensive creativity) to be a great RB. He might have higher potential as a #6 or CB. Something to watch for. Booth caries risk. Bayern development path (they don't use their academy) and he's been out of contract for a long time now. Talent-wise, he's right there with the guys above him. Only weakness is athleticism, but he mitigates it with a very high soccer IQ.

    6. Araujo
    7. Akanyirige
    8. Ocampo-Chavez
    9. Bello
    10. Rotundo

    The only question with Araujo is his height. Otherwise, he'd be #2 on this list. If he doesn't grow 2-3 inches, he might have to move to the #6. I think he has potential there, but we haven't seen him play it yet. He's not a RB, and its wasting his game to put him there. Akanyirige will be good. I don't have many questions about his game. San Jose is a terrible development environment though. Ocampo-Chavez might have the biggest stock gain among all these players this year. His size isn't going to keep him from playing CF, but it won't be a strength. Thats the only real question I'd have about his game.

    Bello plays on the side and has a terrible development environment. I think there are some minor questions about his defensive game. Positioning is a problem as is turnovers. Not going to keep him from playing the position well, but I don't know if he'll be more than slightly above average defensively. Rotundo's game is harder to predict because of his age. I feel like #9 is where there's a big break between most of the older players, so its probably where the best '04 fits into the equation. We'll see how his athleticism develops. From what i see, he plays like Carleton, but is a little less flashy and probably a little less impactful.

    11. Llanez
    12. Reyna
    13. Atencio
    14. Cuevas
    15. Stojanovic

    I don't think Llanez has particularly high upside because he's so predictable and somewhat selfish in his approach, but he's a decent player already. One of the current best players on this list. He'll be a good player. I think Reyna is similar to Llanez in the sense that he doesn't have huge upside, but he's likely to be a good player. Reyna isn't as presently good, but I think he has too many tools to not figure it out to some extent. I don't see any major weaknesses, just needs to put forth some better performances and figure out where on the field he'll play.

    I like what I see from Atencio. Big, good defensively, very good feet and passing range. Athleticism is the main question here, IMO. I think he's somewhat comparable to a player like Durkin, but not as impactful or physical. Cuevas has a good combination of polish and upside at RB. He's shown good performances against older players, as well. Development environment will be a question, and he also plays on the side, so not as important of a position. Stojanovic doesn't have big upside as he's not the most skilled or athletic, but he works hard, has good size and scores goals in a variety of ways. Under the radar player. Development environment is a question.

    16. Freeman
    17. Tessman
    18. Gray
    19. Gomez
    20. Saldana

    Freeman has a good combination of upside and current ability. Not many weaknesses. Club form has been somewhat iffy, but not a huge concern. I don't think Tessman's play comparatively to his peers matches the others on this list, but I think he's shown big improvements in the last year, and has the potential to show the same in the upcoming years. I initially thought he was just a roving #8 with size, athleticism and not a lot else, but I've seen some nice displays of skill and passing. He has all the tools. Now just needs to have them all match up.

    Gray's size at CB is somewhat of a question, and I don't think he has a great touch, but he brings the ball out of the back well due to his mobility and is a reasonably good defensive player. Gomez has a good combination of tools at LB. He's also. performed well in the games I've watched. Game is reminiscent of D. Acosta. Development environment will be a question, and he's also a LB, so not a very important position. Saldana plays a very quiet game. There is no high upside here, IMO. He doesn't make many plays on either end of the game, but he's a glue guy #8. He'll help his team win games. His development environment is definitely a question though.

    Cuts: Roberts, Otasowie, Hernandez-Foster, Alejandre, Judge, Hall, Pepi, Sarver, Toure, Craig

    I like Roberts talent, but I often feel like he underperforms. Development environment is obviously also a big question. Otasowie looks like a pretty raw CM with athleticism and some tools. Good performances work in his favor. Only seen him play briefly. Hernandez-Foster wouldn't have been on this list prior to a couple of weeks ago. Really impressive at the LigaMX tournament. I've seen him play CB, but I think he's more of a LB. He has decent skill, some athleticism and defensive ability. Development environment is definitely a big question. There are two main questions surrounding Alejandre. Positional questions (height is a problem at CB) and not in a pro environment right now. He's a very good performer and I like his ability (mobile, good passer, smart defensive player). Worth mentioning, even if there are areas of concern.

    Judge is just about the opposite of his CB partner with the U-17's. Very few questions, but I consider him to be a very boring prospect. Tools are about average across the board, and very quiet performances. His floor is relatively high though for a player of his age. Hall had an excellent playoffs. I wasn't very impressed with what I saw of him at the GA Cup, but he looked to have rounded out his game a few months later. He's from the Jaylin Lindsey, Chris Gloster mold of full-back. Will bring that type of profile. Upside is somewhat limited and he's a full-back. Pepi is very good right now, and plays a very important position, but I question his upside (doesn't make plays for himself or teammates, needs service), and then his development environment is also very questionable.

    I've only seen Sarver play briefly. Excellent speed and very aggressive taking on defenders. Good goal-scoring record. I don't yet have a good idea about his skill, passing or soccer IQ. Toure is another I've only seen briefly, and neither game he played well, so I haven't seen the "hype" yet. He's obviously very young and he's a great athlete comparatively to most his age, so the typical questions for those types of players will emerge. I don't know yet how valid they are. I think he's in a very good environment to develop though at NYRB. There seems to be a consensus Rotundo and Toure are the two best 04's. I don't think its clear, but I think Craig is the third best. A lot of different tools (physical, technical, tactical), positional versatility, and I've been impressed with his play against older players. Philly is also maybe the best current environment in the USA to develop in.
     
  7. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    San Jose U15s, Ryan Aiken and Gilberto Rivera, are top talents IMO.
     
  8. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I should try to update this. I’ll do this by birth-year.

    Does anyone want to chime in with their own list?

    ‘01: 1. Julian Araujo 2. Taylor Booth 3. Konrad de la Fuente 4. Ulysses Llanez 5. Tanner Tessman 6. Ian Hoffmann 7. Jacob Akanyirige 8. Marcelo Palomino 9. Cameron Duke 10. Cole Bassett

    ‘02: 1. Damian Las 2. Gio Reyna 3. Alfonso Ocampo-Chavez 4. Kobe Hernández-Foster 5. Joe Scally 6. George Bello 7. Josh Atencio 8. Tayvon Gray 9. Seth Wilson 10. Mario Penagos

    ‘03: 1. Moses Nyeman 2. Jonathan Gomez 3. Elton Chifamba 4. Danny Leyva 5. Ricardo Pepi 6. Mauricio Cuevas 7. Casey Walls 8. Chris Garcia 9. Sam Sarver 10. Kevin Paredes

    ‘04: 1. Evan Rotundo 2. Brandan Craig 3. Dantouma Toure 4. Antonio Leone 5. Quinn Sullivan 6. Justin Reynolds 7. Fede Oliva 8. Kenan Hot 9. Luis Lima 10. Takashi Sasaki
     
  9. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I forgot to include Leo Torres for '04. I'd put him at #6, and push everyone back one spot.
     
  10. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    So many names and no Busio. You also overrate Las a lot.
     
  11. headerdunce

    headerdunce Member

    Dec 19, 2005
    For the ‘01 group, Booth and de La Fuente, in that order.

    For a very young player, Rotondo shows a lot of promise.
     
  12. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    I'm not even close to watching as much as you and have no opinion about many players, but still:
    1. Nyeman
    2. de la Fuente
    3. Las
    4. Scally
    5. Booth

    Nyeman is easy.
    De la Fuente doesn't pass well, and isn't such a great dribbler not too pass well.
    Would be somewhere around #20 for me, behind Llanez.
    Las. A very good keeper. Short, early bloomer. Really well coached. Very high floor, not a very high ceiling. Odunze has a very high ceiling btw, although he isn't that good yet. If we are lucky will surpass Las soon.
    Scally. You don't like Araujo at RB, I don't like Scally there. For me he is a player with no position, goes way down the list.
    Booth - belongs to top 5.
    Reyna is definitely in top 5
    6. Araujo
    7. Akanyirige
    8. Ocampo-Chavez
    9. Bello
    10. Rotundo

    Araujo -yes.
    Akanyirige - don't know.
    Ocampo-Chavez -probably agree.
    For me there is Busio somewhere around here.
    Bello I'd switch with Kobe, who is phenomenal LB if he ever gets there.
    Rotundo isn't no miss player, high ceiling though. Should be much lower for the next 2-4 years. Reminds Ledezma whom I like more, but who never been hyped.
    Starting from your #13 everybody whom I didn't mentioned can be shuffled around.
    I think Pynadath belongs to top 20.
    Balogun, Miljevich go to the top 5 if we get them.
     
  13. LuckofLichaj

    LuckofLichaj Member+

    Mar 9, 2012
    He posted that list over a year ago.
     
    butters59 repped this.
  14. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Yep. Sorry @
    Yeo. Sorry ussoccer97531.
     
  15. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    “Ranking” u19’s is always laughable when we look back a year later.
     
  16. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    Hahah this guy still doesn’t have MLS proven level player Gianluca Busio in his “top 10”

    Amazing.
     
  17. justinpaul10

    justinpaul10 Member+

    Sep 2, 2013
    I was not high on Busio a couple years ago but he is starting to grow on me. He’s got a rocket of a right foot, is a passable dribbler but is an excellent passer, and he has good instincts. What really changed my mind about him is his motor the kids works.
     

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