Post-match: San Jose Earthquakes - Philadelphia Union (Wednesday, 9/25) postgame thread [R]

Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by Goodsport, Sep 26, 2019.

  1. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I thought the bottles came after the decision -- teams were already moving down the field.
     
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  2. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Well, exactly. Not because someone's knee was ahead of someone else's leg for a millisecond, when that millisecond may or may not have occurred before or after the ball left the passer's foot. You are trained, as a referee, to give advantage to the attacking player.
     
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  3. RocktheCasbah4

    Dec 20, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    If there is a grand conspiracy to keep the quakes out of the playoffs -- and it's getting harder and harder to think there isn't one -- it is because he is cheap and MLS doesn't want cheap owners making the playoffs to set an example.

    Is that what the drunk fan yelled?
     
  4. Scott Rohde

    Scott Rohde Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 28, 2018
    I recall a few bottles before the decision but the majority came after the decision.

    I watched it again on my recording and didn’t see any bottles at all or any mention of it. Which is probably good for us as that would be the talking point rather than the horrible refereeing.
     
  5. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    From Facebook....

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  6. billward

    billward Member

    Oct 22, 2002
    El Cerrito, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fixed your post.
     
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  7. billward

    billward Member

    Oct 22, 2002
    El Cerrito, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry, the rule is if any part of your body that can score a goal is offsides, you are offsides. So hands are ignored but feet count.
     
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  8. dred

    dred Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    Land of Champions
    As I understand the current rule, every part of the attackers body must be in front of some part of the defender's body, so his boot probably makes him offside.
     
  9. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    You can’t see it from this angle but look back a few posts, there’s an angle where you can plainly see the ball still at the feet of the passing player and Danny’s leg is over the line, it’s not much but it doesn’t have to be...

    ...Danny cost us that goal, not the ref.
     
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  10. billward

    billward Member

    Oct 22, 2002
    El Cerrito, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The instructions the ARs operate under say to hold your flag until play stops because it might be VAR reviewed.
     
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  11. billward

    billward Member

    Oct 22, 2002
    El Cerrito, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or maybe it's because he can't fill his stadium, and it's not a very big stadium. MLS wants the Cup to be played in front of a full crowd at Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta like it was last year, or something like that, not a half-full 18k seater like Avaya.
     
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  12. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    You need a photo showing the straight line angle -- what the AR should have seen -- that includes the ball at the passer's foot -- ideally sequential frames that show the moment of impact.

    Given the limits of human binocular vision, in referee training they told us to focus on the receiver and listen for the impact, but in a stadium, that may not be possible.
     
  13. dred

    dred Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    Land of Champions
    Where was Espinosa during this game? Anyone spot him in the crowd?

    At the risk of beating a dead horse, there's a reason that Fiasco was getting on the end of a lot of nice long passes, it's because nobody's bothering to mark him. They're all on the other side of the field taking Vako out of the play, because a certain someone made himself unavailable.
    While the Quakes weren't outplayed by Philly, they were more stagnant offensively than they should have been at home. Magnus visibly tired after halftime, as did others, maybe because they had to play an hour down a man 4 days ago.

    The one guy who really did step up to the challenge was Hoesen. Can't blame Wondo's absence for this.
     
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  14. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    That was a pretty good crowd for a Wed night. I think we can both remember Wed night games going back to Spartan days, I was pleasantly surprised given the losing skid we’ve been on.
     
  15. tvromero

    tvromero Member

    Jun 2, 2018
    Let's see why MLS does not like the Quakes:
    - You don't want to spend big money for big time DPs
    - The MLS leading goal scorer is not flashy enough
    - Your coach has been tossed multiple times
    - Your coach has brought a funky style of play that makes the other team uncomfortable
    - Your fans don't show up to capacity
    - Your local newspaper almost never covers your games
    - Your stadium is missing some pieces
    - You have almost no training facility
    - You are fighting territorial rights with SAC
     
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  16. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    It looks offsides for me, that leg looks well across. It was close but I’ve seen closer calls made with regularity. This is precisely why I hate VAR, the review calls seems arbitrary, under the old rules that goal stands, fair or not.
     
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  17. tvromero

    tvromero Member

    Jun 2, 2018
    BTW, Yeuill seems scared to send the ball forward. Gone are those days of his brilliant forward passes which are now replaced with backward crap, maybe he has been hanging out with Godoy to much.
     
  18. dred

    dred Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    Land of Champions
    It was Jackson who fell down.

    But yeah, on the 2nd it was a case of "you had one job...." and leaping in the air and making no contact with the ball or the only man in the box wasn't it.
     
  19. ColinMcCarthy

    ColinMcCarthy Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
  20. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    If you still have those my coworker who’s never been to a game would happily take them.
     
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  21. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    You're right, after the seeing the replay it was Yueill...crap luck to slip at that time.
     
  22. nivla

    nivla Member+

    Jan 17, 2003
    Milpitas
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    This are my observations from the recent games at the end of the season.

    1. Good to decent first half. Score a goal when we can finish.
    2. Come out flat in second half. Slow to react as opponents adjust. Legs and minds are tired.
    3. Ref and VAR decisions not going our way. Do not seem to handle it well mentally.
    4. A few defensive makes and get scored on in each mistake.
    5. Point lost or lose a tight game.
    6. Rinse and repeat.

    We really need better starters and also depth to stay competitive in tight games all season long. We can't play Vancouver or Cincinnati every Sat and they won't be perpetually bad either. We are not bad but also not good enough to be a consistent force to pick up points. There are teams who don't play excellent every game but still be able to capitalize on chances to pick up points. These scraped out points and results can go a long way. We seem to only win when we fire on all cylinders and when the opponents are in trouble. This tells me that we may have reached the maximum of the current players. I appreciate that they have given all every game but that's the maximum we will get with them in terms of overall results.

    Also, we need some variations and tempo change in games. It's fun to go all out and hunt 90min but realistically no one can do that 90min the whole season.

    These are things to work on in off season.
     
  23. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    At some point the league needs to realize it won't be able to keep or attract high end coaches, like Almeyda, if they continue to use the refs to impact games...under the guise of crappy refs. It isn't just crap refs...there is more going on than that.

    Bottomline, the league will lose credibility and be viewed as a sham...a place to avoid. They're shooting themselves in the foot with this forced decision day crap.

    I'd love to hear Almeyda's take on the league and the refereeing. I'm betting he thinks it's smoke and mirrors.
     
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  24. billward

    billward Member

    Oct 22, 2002
    El Cerrito, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The game is Sunday, FYI
     
  25. nivla

    nivla Member+

    Jan 17, 2003
    Milpitas
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The linesman on the bench side was horrible all night. He wasn't even sure if he should raise the flag in some occasions when the ball went out of bound. But then when he made a decision, it was wrong. How could be call it offside in the second half when TT was slowly jogging bag and had no intention to play and Judson was coming from behind to chase down the ball? TT didn't interfere the play at all but yet that linesman flagged it right away like he suddenly found a pot of gold. That was the only time he flagged an offside immediately all game when other times he let the play develop so late to do so.
     
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