The 2020 Election Mega Thread

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  1. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    “Sometimes a thug wants to play Marco Polo too” may be the greatest combination of words I’ve ever read.
     
  2. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I've written about this before. The phrase "white privilege" only works with the converted. Everybody else ********ing hates it. It's a terrible strategy for convincing those who are not already convinced.
     
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  3. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Most of those ideas that originally caught on in humanities and social science graduate seminars need to be kept out of the arena of electoral politics. Valid or not (and white privilege is a real thing), it's not going to help win votes.
     
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  4. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    Calling your allies racist isn't electoral gold? I'm shocked.

    Bernie's old fashioned dialectic materialism is a winner here. We are the 99%. I hope the other candidates embrace that message.
     
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  5. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    You should know better. Various forms of false consciousness have always won in this country and will probably continue for awhile.
     
  6. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    As somebody (maybe here?) wrote, no matter how many times Bernie uses the word "oligarchic," it's never really going to work.
     
  7. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I think all of us should be educated on issues like white privilege, mansplaining etc. But, it should not be used in a divisive manner simply for political gain. These are issues that should transcend partisanship and ideology, and all of us need to be made aware of them.

    As a white Latino immigrant, I was never aware of white privilege, and it's hard for me to reconcile my experience with the idea of white privilege, because I feel nothing was ever handed to me since I came to the USA. I did not have rich WASP parents with connections and ties to the community. I never was accepted to a school when I shouldn't have been, or given a loan I shouldn't have gotten, which is what came to mind when I heard "white privilege". But, I realized that white privilege mean that by working hard I was able to get into the school I deserved to get into, and I was able to get the loan I legitimately qualified for. This is something that I learned people who are not white often don't get, even when they deserve it, and that is were I finally understood my white privilege came in. I learned this by being open to dialogue with people who are different from me and by listening to their experiences.

    And that is how we should propagate this knowledge, by talking frankly to each other. It is not something that translates well into partisan politics, because the last thing we want is for people to close their minds to these very important concepts just because they see them identified with a particular party or ideology that they are not comfortable with.
     
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  8. ASU55RR

    ASU55RR Member+

    Jul 31, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY/Brno,CZ
    Club:
    FC Zbrojovka Brno
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    I'm amazed how much of a free fall Harris's numbers seem to be in this week.
     
  9. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm not. She was awful during the debate.
     
  10. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    There's a lot of these things that really do not have much importance beyond lecture halls. I think of that Onion article about queer feminist theory whenever I see some acquaintances post about those topics on social media. Most people only give a crap about whether or not they'll have a roof and some stability.

    Case in point, Michigan governorship. Whitmer won it because she had a simple slogan and one that every Michigander, regardless of political affiliation, will agree on: FIX THE DAMN ROADS. It worked as she occupies the governor's office.
     
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  11. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Yes, this guy:

    https://politics.theonion.com/trump-voter-feels-betrayed-by-president-after-reading-8-1819596245

    The headline: Trump Voter Feels Betrayed After Reading 800 Pages of Queer Feminist Theory.

    "I thought Trump tells it like it is. You know who tells it like it is? Judith Butler."
     
  12. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Yeah, that weird giggling. She almost sounded drunk.
     
  13. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    She took so long to get to her point in her answers and she went well over time a lot for no reason. I'm not sure what kind of prep she did but it didn't work.
     
  14. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
    Club:
    FC Vaduz
    Not sure how many of you listen to podcasts, but I listen to one called "Citations Needed" which focuses on media and bullshit. Their most recent podcast dove into Nate Silver and how what he does isn't polling, but basically handicapping horse racing, and how polling has now turned everyone, especially reporters, into a pundit. It also dives into how polls can sometimes be a self-fulfilling prophecy (why bother voting when the polls say that someone is going to win anyway), and how people like Nate Silver specifically don't really care how things affect actual people, but instead focus on the numbers surrounding everything since so many policies wouldn't affect him in any way.

    It's actually a really fantastic and insightful podcast overall, but this really kinda tells the story of why you should listen to what candidates are telling you and not focus on what the polls tell you.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/citations-needed/id1258545975

    (Also, if you go down their list of podcasts a little further, they do an episode on militarism in sports and how baseball and football are constantly competing against each other to be "more American", but ultimately both are helping to push fascism.)
     
  15. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like say Olympic games or World cups can help push nationalism?
     
  16. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not. She is not very good at explaining her policy positions, and she has not had a very good response to her time as DA/AG regarding being pro-police.
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    So Nate Silver is big on Warren and feels she has definitely moved ahead of Bernard
     
  18. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Their polling nationally is quite similar (both are around 17-19%) and around ten points behind Biden (29%) but Silver feels that Warren's ceiling is higher.
     
  19. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would tend to agree. Binden, for all he has done, has not really moved above 30%; Warren seems to fluctuate, but keeps going up, and apparently is taking from Sanders.
     
  20. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just listened to this as I was running errands...quite fascinating. Both baseball and football are far more tied into the military than I realized.

    (And for those who haven't checked it out, there is a small tie-in involving Up With People.)
     
  21. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Random report from the heartland. Just returned from a long road trip through the bible belt - from New Orleans to Virginia Beach and back. Only saw two political signs along the highway, both in South Carolina - and both for Tulsi Gabbard.
     
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  22. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    It seems that her support runs very narrow, but also very deep!
     
  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Interesting tactic

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  24. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The latest polling from Iowa:
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    This race gets interesting if Warren wins Iowa. I think it'd probably propel her nationally to the same tier as Biden. But there's still a long way to go and 14% of voters are still outright unsure, only about a quarter of voters are certain they'll win.
     
  25. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is even more favorable to Warren than that.

    https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/09/21/desmoinescnnpoll.pdf

    Net favorable:
    Warren at 75 (up 12pts from March), not sure at 8
    Biden at 66 (down 15pts from March), not sure at 5
    Sanders at 58 (down 13pts from March), not sure at 5

    Everybody else has a "not sure" at 13 or above.

    First or second choice:
    Warren - 42 (up 21pts from March)
    Biden - 30 (down 16pts from March)
    Sanders - 21 (down 17pts from March)

    That is looking quite favorable to Warren in Iowa. And IIRC from what looked at a few months ago, this is about the time when sustained changes seem to start.
     

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