Depends on if FIFA tries to establish a roughly-static distribution for all upcoming tournaments, or really redoes berth distribution for each one. If the latter, anything is possible. With the latter case, anything is possible, and even with the former you can get some craziness if there are multiple hosts. However, for the former case with just one host, you can get one of two possibilities: 1. In an X-team tournament, FIFA statically distributes (X-1) berths, and reserves a berth for the host. Since there will always be at least a full berth for OFC, then in this case, NZL hosting would mean that full berth would be available for the next OFC nation. 2. In an X-team tournament, FIFA statically distributes (X-0.5) berths, and then takes half a berth away from the confederation of the host. In this case, OFC's full berth would be reduced to half a berth if NZL hosted - but that assumes the increase from X=24 to X=32 doesn't change OFC's natural distribution from 1 berth to 1.5 berths. For all of the MWC tournaments with X=32, FIFA used option 1, which they've also done for the two WWCs with X=24. As such, I think that's what FIFA would do for the WWC moving into 32 teams, which means NZL hosting lets a full berth fall to another OFC team. That said, FIFA essentially used option 2 for the WWCs with X=16, so IDK. If I had my druthers, I'd set up a static 32-team WWC distribution like this: Host - 1 UEFA - 12 AFC - 6 CAF - 4.25 C'CAF - 4.25 C'BOL - 3.25 OFC - 1.25 Yes, that's a 4-team playoff tournament I want for the last spot, either a 6-game round-robin or two home-and-away knockout rounds (i.e. at least four matches per team). More inter-confederation matches is always good. And if there's a second host, just take a berth from the co-host's home confederation. (In the rare case of a cross-confederation WWC like AUS/NZL co-hosting, I'd take the full berth from AFC but also move that quarter berth from OFC back to AFC.)
Apologies for the long post. Had a look at the requirements on the FIFA website. I'm struggling to work out where we are going to find the venues. All our potential stadiums are publicly owned and shared with at least one other football code. The 32 team tournament means at least 8 venues will be unavailable to the other codes for up to eight weeks and a minimum of six weeks. I can't see the NRL giving up venues for this period to give exclusive usage to Football. Based on requirements Melbourne doesn't have a place to hold the opening game, the final or the semi finals. Opening game and final would have to be in Sydney at the Olympic Stadium (although that may be up for renovation then and not available). Supposedly renovations were to start in late 2019 and be completed by 2021 but our Government just knocked down an existing 40,000 seat venue with the aim of building a new one on site without a design completed and without a contractor to build it so forgive me if I have some doubts about their skills in delivering projects on time. Currently where we sit with potential venues Sydney ANZ Stadium Capacity current 84,000 2000 Olympic stadium. Redeveoped to bring spectators on lower levels at the sides closer after the Olympics. Plans to renovate again to turn it bring upper level spectators closer and also square off the ends reducing capacity to 70,000. Used by the NRL for weekly club games (3 teams currently use it as a home ground). Rugby Union Tests involving major nations are also sometimes played here Bankwest Stadium capacity 30,000 A brand new venue that has had good reviews. Used by NRL to host weekly games. One NRL club uses it as a regular home ground and another on a part time basis. Home ground for West Sydney in the summer Sydney Football Stadium Currently a hole in the ground. We were promised a new 45,000 capacity state of the art venue but at the moment don't have a design or a builder. Used by one NRL club as a home ground and also by the NSW Waratahs (a super rugby club). Home ground for Sydney FC in the summer. Brisbane Suncorp Stadium capacity 52,500 A good rectangular venue used by Brisbane Broncos (an NRL team) as a home ground. Also a venue for representative NRL matches like State of Origin. Melbourne MCG (100,000) and Marvel Stadium (53,000) Both oval grounds used by Melbourne based AFL clubs on a weekly basis. Melbourne people love them but they must have better eyesight than me. AAMI Park Capacity 30,000 A good rectangular stadium used by Melbourne Storm (NRL) as a home ground. Also home ground to the two Melbourne A League teams in summer. Adelaide Adelaide Oval capacity 53,500 AN oval ground used by two Adelaide AFL clubs as a home ground. Its longer and skinner than most AFL venues so you get a good view from the side for football but if you are at the ends you are a long way away. Perth Optus Stadium capacity 60,000 A new venue opened recently. Perth people rate it the best in the world but as most of them haven't left their home city we can take that opinion with a grain of salt. Its an oval venue and a five hour flight from Sydney. Canberra Canberra Stadium capacity 25,000 An older venue that they have been talking about redeveloping. Would still be fine for group matches with some smaller upgrades. Used by Canberra NRL side and also Canberra Super Rugby side as a home gorund. Newcastle McDonald Jones Stadium capacity 23,000 seated. A rectangular stadium with seating on the side and grass banks on the ends. Used in the Asian Cup in 2015 with the grass banks closed. Used by Newcastle NRL club as a home ground. Used by Newcastle A League side in the summer Gold Coast Cbus Super Stadium Capacity 24,500 A good boutique venue used by Gold Coast Titans (NRL) as a home ground. Townsville North Queensland Stadium capacity 25,000 A new venue currently under construction expected to open in early 2020.
Two down, eight to go now: Argentinian Football Association Football Federation Australia Brazilian Football Association Colombian Football Association Japan Football Association Korea Football Association (expressing interest in a joint bid with DPR Korea Football Association) New Zealand Football South African Football Association
Down to 7. New Zealand enters a joint bid with Australia. https://www.footballtoday.news/features/australia-and-new-zealand-to-link-up-for-2023
There is nothing in the press or from the FFA about this and its actually an opinion piece written in July.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sp...t-2023-women-s-world-cup-20191210-p53imp.html Its finally official, a joint Australia / New Zealand bid. I think its FIFA's first cross confederation bid.
So sometimes Aussies remember they're in a same continent as New Zealand... On a different note: should they win, will Oceania get no slot beyond NZ, or we could have another Oceanian team at the WWC for the first time?
Assuming that FIFA grants both AUS and NZL "host" slots - which they should - then OFC should still get at least 0.5 slots to the tournament, maybe a full 1 slot. Think of it this way: NZL qualifying through a host slot shouldn't automatically lock out the entire rest of OFC from even having a chance at qualifying (i.e. them getting 0 slots is out of the question). Based on my previous post on the topic, I would say the joint AUS/NZL WWC slot distribution should look like this: Host - 2 UEFA - 12 AFC - 5.25 CAF - 4.25 C'CAF - 4.25 C'BOL - 3.25 OFC - 1
Why not require Australia and New Zealand to pick which of them gets the host slot and let the other compete for a slot? Likely then, Australia would get the host slot.
Those ".25" slots are odd. So the four teams that place in the ".25" qualifier slot go into a round-robin type tournament at a neutral site? I'd prefer: Host - 2 UEFA - 12 AFC - 5.5 CAF - 4 C'CAF - 4.5 C'BOL - 3.5 OFC - .5 Still seeing Japan as the frontrunners to host.
Well, in the post I referred to, (it's just higher up on this page,) I said 6-game round robin (i.e. hosted per game, not neutral) or home-and-away knockouts.
We are not in the same continent as New Zealand. We are on the continent of Australia (which sometimes is called Australinea or Meganesia (according to wikipedia- I've never heard of those terms until I looked them up). We do share continental status with Papua New Guinea and parts of Indonesia. Oceania isn't a continent, its a region.
Saw some discussion on slot allocation. I'm not aware that FIFA have determined this yet but if they allocate an extra spot to the host confederation like they do in men's football then if (a big if IMO) Australia and New Zealand joint host then the easiest solution is the extra spot gets allocated as a playoff between Asia and OFC.
I was wondering how much depth there was in OFC. New Zealand lost 3 games in the last world cup but didn't get embarrassed in any of them losing by a single goal twice and 2 goals once. In qualification they played 5 matches in the OFC tournament scoring 43 goals and didn't concede a goal. Doesn't say much for the chances of a second qualifier from OFC if they end up with a playoff.
NZL has generally bad luck in the WWC, I think; in the past three cycles, they've played nine games with no wins, but in six losses they have a GD of just -7. In other words, almost every loss was by just one goal, and when you combine that with the fact that they've been in the group of death each of the last two tournaments, you don't get that many single-goal losses unless you're a competitive team with just a few bad bounces. They've also registered wins in each of the last two Olympics. There's a reason they've consistently been a top-twenty team in the FIFA rankings, so their utter dominance of OFC is, I think, more a statement of their strength than in is saying OFC is awful. The rest of OFC are still definitely minnows, of course, but I don't think they're as far behind as people think they are. And to be fair to any GD argument in regards to AFC - Thailand had a GD of -26 in six games at the WWC, and any other team in AFC will be a step down even from that. I stand by saying PNG vs Phillipines would probably be a pretty good playoff series.
From "Oceania" on Wikipedia: "In some countries (such as Brazil) however, Oceania is still regarded as a continent (Portuguese: continente) in the sense of "one of the parts of the world", and the concept of Australia as a continent does not exist". I am sorry to say that I live in one of those countries, so we normally refer to "Oceania" as a continent. I wasn't aware that it could be seen differently from others and I apologize for not knowing it. Apart from that, I guess Olympic Comitee should be warned about that, because I guess one of the rings in the Olympic Flag should represent Oceania as a whole continental region, and not just Australia. And I guess it's not the only sport event considering Australia and Oceania as a whole as "one of the parts of the world".
To me a continent is a land mass. There are several different definitions, and also several different recognised numbers of continents ranging from 7 down to 4. I was taught the 7 continent model (Africa, Europe, Asia, North America, South America, Antarctica and Australia). The continental land mass of Australia (I'm speaking in geological terms) incudes the largest above sea level mass that is the Australian mainland, as well as some large and small islands that share a continental shelf (New Guinea and Tasmania being the largest). There are different definitions of continent in use but the vast majority of Australians consider Australia to be a continent in its own right and not part of OFC which we don't consider a continent at all. In sporting terms most world wide sports break themselves into zones which coincide with the recognised continents for the most part, with many using the regional grouping of Oceania (Australian Continent and a grouping of mostly Southern pacific Islands) as one of the zones. Usually northern pacific Islands aren't included.
Better let both compete for a slot, if one takes one the other get the host slot, if none does they play for it, and it both does have a play-off between the team closest to qualify in each of those two confeds have a play-off for it.
Hosts (men's or women's) have never played to get in except on two unique occasions - the very first MWC that used qualifying (1934), and the 2003 WWC that was relocated late in planning. FIFA would be massively breaking tradition if they forced any host(s) to play to get in. What's the point of hosting, aside from pride, if you still have to qualify normally?
Although I of course agree about the geological notion of "continent", here in Italy we're usually taught in school the 5 continents model (similar to the 5 rings of the Olympic Flag): in no particular order, Europe, Asia, Africa, America and Oceania. In higher grades students use to be taught the notion that Anctartica could be considered a continent but in most contexts it isn't because it isn't "anthropized", and basically that's it. No other model is actually popular here. Of course, the continental drift theory is taught quite early in school, and in this context it's natural to consider Anctartica as one of the continents that were born from the breaking of Pangaea, but this theoretical notion doesn't conflict with the fact that in most "everyday" contexts people keep following the 5 continents model.