I could include more players. Asensio surely, Vallejo fell short to injuries, but if you're not an instant hit, and stay at your peak, you're done and overrated.
Dude I have known you for 15 years and consider you one of the guys or buddies on this forum even though you been tripping for some time now. With that said you can have 500 Zidane shirts. Doesn't change the fact you spit venom at the man any chance you get (manipulating facts, attacking for no reason, etc).
Don't worry, I'm not falling for anything. It's just that I don't think we'll ever agree on the Zidane situation (hence the fair enough), so I asked him whether he at least believes Zidane deserves a chance. I generally don't like getting into very long discussions knowing it's almost impossible to convince each other, haha.
Life is result oriented eh? I could write a story about people who thought I'd fail and how their tones changed once I "showed value". I'm hoping Zidane can prove these people wrong and once again show his "value" as well.. - Zidane's insulted as not being tactical yet these same people complained throughout preseason (and now) about how much he changes his system and tries different things in order to gain results. Our best performance so far was a 4-1-4-1! - Zidane's insulted for not developing players and prefering older ones, but he's the one who dropped James for Asensio. This season (and during preseason) he dropped Lucas for Vinicius, it's just Vinicius has been so damn poor it's hard to justify continuing to rely on him when people are at his throat for results. - We are told Zidane only favors his French speakers, yet Kroos has sucked for years. Does he speal French? Is his great grandmother French? What about Marcelo? The reality is Zidane wants results but there are other factora that are in play. Before he came back we renewed Kroos, Modric akd Nacho. Two of those three have been terrible and one doesn't play because he's probably our worst player. He has made many mistakes. Yes However we have been demanding he become flexible. - He shows flexibility in welcoming James back (didn't they say ue would never play?). - He showed flexibility is letting the Bale drama go and relying on him (many coaches wouldn't have, too much pride... would Mourinho??). - He has tried to rely on Vinicius. - He has rotated early (didn't these people complain and say he would never rotate?) I mean... again he has made mistakes. Every coach is going to. However he is trying and to be honest if Kroos and Ramos don't cheaply give up possession we're tied for first with 9 points. We need to get healthy and we need luck. We also need to play either.. 433 James-Casemiro-Modric Bale-----Benzema-----Hazard * You can sub Isco for Bale, Jovic for Benzema or 4141 ‐------------Casemiro-------------- Isco-James-Modric-James --------------Benzema-------------- * You can sub Bale for Isco, Jovic for Benzema.
And that was dumb because Asensio was an inflated player no where near the same capacity James has demonstrated over the years even when he was Asensio’s age. I tend to believe his lack of player development is mostly due to the fact that his talent pool has not been the best. We now have new young players and the jury is out.. In any case, I dont really pay much attention to this.. what matters the most to me is that we win with the players we have /get and that the best get to play regardless of what development stage they are in. I never see our club as a development institution for young players .. Castilla is not even on Second Division level.
It wasn't dumb. At the time Asensio outperformed James; work ethic and results. Zidane did the right thing and gave him more minutes. Let's hope Zidane does the right thing now and gives James minutes as he sure has shown even in that small sample that he is one of the best on this squad.
It wasn’t but. Asensio performed because he was given the chance James didnt get which was to come in late in CL matches where the opposing team was already beat in an effort to promote the player at the expense of James. James could have easily done the same as he demonstrated against Barcelona coming in late and scoring to tie the game. Asensio never put the number James did for RM even in that year the two played together.
I am not. In my opinion he was not better than James in that time you are referring to and we can agree to disagree. If your only example of Zidane developing a young player is Asensio it is not a good one because Asensio became worse and his mentally is weak. As I said.. Vini will hopefully be a different story.
Can zidane show "flexibility" and drop varane? Is there any fan in this forum who don't think for the past 15 months, that is the first thing to do?
Of course we did, but the discussion was about "developing" super stars, and this is the Vinicius OT, whom we have already bought! So the point was his development, and our track record, I don't see your point. Ramos was a very promising RB, but now he's among the best CBs ever, all thanks to us, Marcelo is an even more impressive case as he was basically a nobody at the time, for all we know he might have turned into the next Drenthe.
He was signed mainly for RB, he played for RB both for us and Spain for years, at CB he would've been a Nacho level player at best, still, all that is absolutely irrelevant to the main point, which is developing the player, he was merely a promising talent (irrespective of the position), now he's GOAT level in his position, thanks to us. Let's say Felix turns into the next Ronaldo (he wouldn't, but let's say it) at Atleti, then it's fair to say that he'd have realized his real potential at Atleti, not his previous clubs. The main credit would naturally go to Atleti, for being the right club and providing the right environment to let him reach that level.
I think we are on the same page regarding Zidane (and most of his decisions, good and bad ones). I have made my points clear during the summer, but I've also told myself to just enjoy the season for what it is as the amount of negativity was completely out of proportion (without good reason most of the time). When this unfounded negativity is just for the sake of it, it's generally not worth my time to try and convince others, that's all. Make no mistake, I'm all for having a good discussion! Just to be clear: I agree with your points re Zidane (but I'm not the one needs convincing).
Obviously, Ramos has been excellent for being a huge threat at set-pieces. However, I don't think it's accurate to say that he's equally great on defense. Real Madrid are infamous for being porous at the back & Ramos is a part of it. It's just that Cristiano Ronaldo are outscoring to make up for it. Now, people will highlight on Sergio Ramos' winning titles for Spain. But I'd give Xavi most of the credit for Spain's dominance in 2008-2012. As soon as Xavi declined, so did Spain as well.
Iker, Puyol, Xabi, Villa, Torres all began to decline around the same time. That's why they call it a golden generation.
The fact that he changes his system every week is not a good thing. Do you know that? In the first 3 matches he has played different formation in all 3 matches: 4-3-3 Celta 4-1-4-1 Valladolid 4-4-2 Villarreal In pre season he even tried 3-5-2 which was a horrible disaster. It would be great if it actually worked but the performances have been a disaster. It's clear he doesn't know what he is doing or wants to do. Does anyone know what he want to do? What's the plan? We need structure not changing formation every week. Also his substitutions have been terrible (jovic against Villarreal) and his in game management has not been very good (4-2-4 against valladolid). His criticism is deserved at the moment. We had 3 easy games against teams that have fought against relegation last season.
Vinicius: "At every club, the right-footed players like to play on the left, like Hazard does," Vinicius told the Brazilian press while on international duty. "It's the same here. Each player has their own characteristics and it's the coach that decides. "It's always really difficult to begin with, but I'm adapting well in my new position. "I'm training and asking Zidane [about it], who is putting me there. "Left or right, having the chance to play on both wings helps me at Real Madrid and in the [Brazilian] national team."
He's saying the right things. Everyone can see he's having difficulties on the RW, but with his skill-set he should be doing much better than Lucas for instance. He'll adjust, he's very young (just 19!). Hazard also played as RW and CAM for Lille, before making that LW spot his own over the years. Granted, Hazard is a much more 'skillful' player (as in, much more refined), but Vinicius is talented enough to become world class on each wing!
He needs to get himself sorted out on the right wing, that should be simpler position for a right footed player to learn. This is incredibly weird that he can't play on the right. Ronaldo also started out as RM/RW when he was just a dribble and cross player (which is all Vinicius has showed on the LW). Shouldn't be worried about Hazard or the players on other teams either, at this level most forwards can play effectively on either wing. And what does this even mean: "I'm training and asking Zidane [about it], who is putting me there."
If he can adapt to the RW, it will be really great for him & us, even if he remains better on the left. He will be able to play with Hazard in Madrid and with Neymar in Brazil.
Vini’s Problem is that Rodrygo is already better at playing in the right so I’m not sure how time Zidane is willing to dedicate to teaching how to play there as opposed to using Rodrygo or Brahim who are both comfortable playing in that position.