Matchday 4, The Arsenal vs. Basketball Chickens, 1 September 2019

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  1. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
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    Laca is great at hold up play. When tierney is fit and holding and we drop xhaka we should be a lot more comfortable

    The only issue is sok and luiz are penalty liabilities
     
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  2. BIGHMW

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    Jason Belmonte (or any other card-carrying member of the PBA or the USBC) might take offense to that remark.

    BOWLER of a mistake?
     
  3. BIGHMW

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    Oct 10, 2010
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    At the time he scored I was telling myself "Arsenal need an equalizer soon and BIG-TIME", and Auba replies with that tap-in, and I react ".......and there it is!!!......ask and ye shall receive!!!" Nice finish. Turned out to be the difference in the match. Now, only if that offside wasn't called (on what looked to be the go-ahead goal) in which I missed because I was in the restroom getting some water when it happened.......
     
  4. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    Arsenal have a lot of players that are penalty liabilities, but Xhaka is the worst, worse even than Mustafi, who apparently will still be an Arsenal player come Monday night. From squawka: "Key stat: No player has conceded more penalties in the Premier League than Granit Xhaka (5) since the start of the 2016/17 season."
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    Emery must have deep man love for xhaka

    It's the only explanation
     
  6. mebeSajid

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    Feb 16, 2009
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  7. BIGHMW

    BIGHMW Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
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    Since somebody already added Harry Kane The Diving Cheat I myself decided to add referee Mike Dean for his horrendous "officiating" job he did in that match away to Chel$ki a few years ago (was it the 2014-15 season IIRC) where Arsene Wenger and Jose Mourinho almost got into it and where Dean allowed Diego Costa to do WTF he wanted without repercussion (although afterwards The FA suspended Costa 3 games for his acts in that match) without even booking him let alone sending him off.
     
  8. total_football

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    Apr 2, 2002
    Chicago
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    Pepe have so far shown million dollar moves and a $.10 shot. Let’s hope he comes around.

    . Guendouzi was amazing ! MOTM performance .

    Laca should be playing week in and week out .

    Xhaka ? Shocking,

    Put Joe W back in there in the MF. I think him and Guendouzi are going to really create havoc with their athleticism and composure and skills .
     
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  9. Shen-O

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    #84 Shen-O, Sep 1, 2019
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    From now on, its Duzy-Torreira-Ceballos.

    Thank the universe for Duzy, Auba, Leno, and LACA THE TANK today.

    I'm also barely sobering up from this Arsenal-Spurs, Roma-Lazio derby day.
     
  10. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    More on mistakes from the BBC
    • Arsenal have recorded 13 errors leading to goals in the Premier League since the start of last season - the most of any club in the competition. Goalkeeper Bernd Leno is responsible for six of those errors.
    They apparently credited him with the error on the first goal today, when both his center backs made mistakes that put Leno in a difficult position.
     
  11. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

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    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
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    I watched at the pub so need to rewatch it to see more details/nuances, but some reactions...

    A draw was a fair result. When I saw their back 4 compared to ours, I knew the game was gonna be challenging.

    Leno should have held that shot... he normally does. Or parry it wide. At least he did follow that with a couple of exceptional saves, but that one f-up basically cost us the win. He's pretty good... but a step down from the keepers at Citeh, Pool, Yanited. Only Spuds have a #1 who's not much better than ours.

    Guendouzi played great... totally justified his start, and made a case for MOTM.

    I had wanted Ceballos to come on earlier... at HT. And I'd been looking for Xhaka to be sacrified. But maybe LT just wasn't quite ready for 90? And it's not like he was exactly tearing things up. Or maybe Emery was looking for a different adjustment to our shape. Being at a pub I wasn't able to focus on that.

    Auba was less important than I expected. And I found myself wondering if our new "PAL" line-up doesn't maximize his potential. In fact, he said himself in post-match interview that he always prefers to play CF.

    One bright spot came after FT: The played "Everybody wants to rule the world" instead of the awful "Sweet Caroline". Is that what they always play after draws? I dunno but it was a big welcome relief!
     
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  12. Shen-O

    Shen-O Member+

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    Jul 26, 2005
    Los Angeles
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    Leno the only reason Spurs didn’t win the game.

    Can’t wait for Holdini to return.
     
  13. IAH-Gooner

    IAH-Gooner Member

    Dec 12, 2014
    Houston
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    Arsenal FC
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    Well my friend that is a Chelsea fan was happy with the result today.

    I thought Leno could have done much better on the first goal. Should have caught the ball or at least pushed it out wide of the goal. He did make some good saves during the game.

    I was most disappointed in the center backs. WTF were they doing today? They were all over the place. Why was Sokratis challenging against Xhaka at the half way line? Then boom! a Spurs goal. Our defense is still atrocious.

    The Laca goal was fantastic. He just rifled that shot into the net.

    Good job fighting back from 2-0 down. I thought Arsenal had won it until I saw that the third goal was flagged for offside. Arsenal really should have won at home against this Spuds team.
     
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  14. ArsenalMetro

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    I don't get the complaints about Leno on the goal. It was a full-extension save on a weak, but well-placed shot. There is no way he was pushing that wide or holding on to it. You can't push a shot wide unless it has momentum, and you can't hold a shot that far away from your body. It looked bad, but it was a good save.

    The fault falls entirely on Luiz for completely ********ing up in the buildup and Sokratis for not tracking Eriksen.

    Everyone should be way more mad at Xhaka for giving away the penalty like a ********ing moron and playing like he had a lobotomy for the other 94 minutes of the match.
     
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  15. NorthBank

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    Agreed about Holding but are we piling a bit too much weight on his young shoulders?

    As for Leno being the only reason we earned a point... really?? How about the post on Kane's shot? How about Guendouzi's assist and his overall play? How about Laca's amazing 2nd touch just before slamming the ball into the roof?
     
  16. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

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    As for Xhaka's error being more egregious than Leno's... I agree. Xhaka's showed a chronic problem he's had with going to ground, making rash challenges. It's also something he had a little time to think about before acting. OTTOH Leno's was well-worn instinct, in a split-second. That said it was a mistake that you're less likely to see made by DDG, Kepa, Ederson or Allison.
     
  17. Shen-O

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    #92 Shen-O, Sep 2, 2019
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    Even with all that, Spurs should have scored another 2-3 goals. Did you not see my previous posts? I literally thanked everyone you mentioned. But Leno still saved us.

    Holdini just needs to be himself and we’ll benefit because he’s not rash.
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yes I also disagree it was an error

    He can try to push it away or hold it. Not both.

    It was the right decision to try to hold it but obviously exceptionally difficult to hold that shot. I also disagree the shot was weak.
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Belgium
    DDG has made a crazy level of mistakes in the last 12 months
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    Playing him at left wing is dumb. There i said it.

    They were playing it at the cricket as well. What is it with this song? Is there some kind of consumer research to suggest all age groups love it?
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
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    Incidentally this nonsense from Pires reflects the OGS fallacy that a guy who played in a high performing team "knows the Manchester way".... ie SAF fairy dust.

    A high performance culture isn't traditions or a "philosophy" - its actually an enormous base of experiences and practices.

    Teams that maintain elite culture over a long time tend to focus on regeneration and continuity. So new players come up in the culture, and either make it or don't. New coaching talent is developed and these guys are often sent out in to the wide world and then come back into the fold via succession planning.

    So elite culture at Utd would have been to retain people who held the institutional knowledge. But actually they decapitated the organisation by losing SAF & Gill at once, then sacking Rene M's coaching staff to replace them with non-elite people.

    This is why i have more time for hiring Arteta who is actually living and breathing an elite performance environment in the context of his role. But there is of course no guarantee he could import that to Arsenal.


     
  22. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
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    England
    Leno was in no mans land because luiz is a clown and the shot was a full extension save that was hit with enough power not to be able to be caught and too little power to push round the post

    Luiz has to stop trying to go over too far for that first pass in a 1-2 as this happened vs salah and now vs Tottenham

    Tbh I would try him in midfield because torreira is being employed as a b2b which doesn’t work

    How about this lineup?

    ..............laca
    Auba..............Pepe
    .....ceb....guen
    ...........luiz
    Kol..sok...holding..amn
    ..........Leno

    It means we have extra height in midfield, a good passer from deep who may have more discipline than xhaka

    We have players behind him capable of defending

    When tierney and bellerin come back this team is more balanced and can go to 3 at the back when required

    Maybe ozil can play instead of ceballos?
     
  23. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
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    England
    Would you rather play a diamond when the fullbacks are fit? Means Pepe is dropped and ozil comes in but could provide balance?

    ......auba....laca
    ..........ozil
    Ceb...........guen
    .........luiz
    Tier..sok..hold...bellerin
    ........../Leno

    Of course Pepe can come in for a striker and play as a faux winger?
     
  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    The combination of Lulz and Sokratis still has issues

    Sok shouldn't have run out of the line to try to contest the flick on - he ended up miles out of position.

    Then Lulz is too tight on Son. So in that way, both CBs took themselves out of the game
     
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  25. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
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    Belgium
    Great analysis

    Attacking wise, we have the tools - we need more the fluidity

     

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