Liverpool relied alot on Mane last season, since Salah was nowhere near as prolific as the season before. Not saying he is/ was better than CR7, but made a bigger difference to his team. Also led Senegal to Afcon final. Thanks in advance for the rep.
Whilst I think Mane was excellent last season and often the difference attack wise and in my top 5, but take Ronaldo out of Juventus and they lose in last 16 of CL and do not win the UEFA Nations League. I know Mane was absolutely key for Liverpool and Senegal and in my view Liverpool's best attacker but taking club and international performances Ronaldo just gets 3rd place for me.
Alisson like I said before is a good choice for sure better than some players of a certain country there. Alisson actually was responsably for good or even mostly part of the in Liverpool's defensive improvement and campaign, had some crucial performances against big opponents (PSG, Napoles, Barcelona, Tottenham and also with Brazil) being a keypiece of his teams (Liverpool and Brazil) that actually won the Copa América and the Champions League and he was also a good performer in the Premier League (the best one): https://www.optasportspro.com/static/8-create-season-review.html Btw, I understand Cristiano Ronaldo as TOP3-5 too, he was top ranked of Italian Serie A according to Gazzetta Dello Sport https://www.gazzetta.it/calcio/fantanews/statistiche/serie-a-2018-19/, had positive impact while playing with Juventus, was well ranked in Champions League https://www.voti-fanta.com/p/statistiche-fantacalcio-champions-league.html and had great performances with Portugal as well.
This is primarily the reason Alisson 'won' my vote He was the one constant on teams that won 2 of the 3 biggest trophies on offer in 2019 Neur finished 3rd in 2014 and had shockers too (being demolished 5-0 on aggregate by real Madrid) Was he necessarily better than Alisson this year(sweeper keeper hype aside) I don't know
Anyway this was another season where Messi was more than a level above all players, playing for Barcelona. That any other player is rated higher than him to be the best in the world is outrageous, especially when Messi played against some contenders.
Neuer wasn't better than Kaylor Navas in the World Cup. Meanwhile, don't forget Allison played for the hosts and his team was never reduced to only two rest days...
My problem with the Nations League argument is that Ronaldo didn't play in 4 out of the 6 matches, if I'm not mistaken. Also was shut-down in the final. So one match that he really impacted (against the weakest opponent out of the 6 games).
A spin that only the most intolerable Barcelona fanboy could produce Ronaldo vs Switzerland was the best individual performance at international level in 2019 A 10/10 performance for a striker No need to denigrate it He overturned a 1-0 deficit against weak Switzerland (ranked top 15 in the world ELO) He overturned a 2-0 deficit against atletico Madrid in the CL R16 Ronaldo has been dragging his team out of holes for 13 years You have been trolling for 16 years(joined 2003)
Still just one game out of 6. And can't assume Portugal wouldn't have won NL title w/o Ronaldo. Portugal would be solid favs to beat the Swiss with or w/o him.
Redundant comment 35,000+ Every single goal/performance of lionel Messi under guardiola is overrated because Barcelona were overwhelming favourites against 99.9999999% of opponents with or without Messi #failedlogic
When a team wins a league by measly 3 points and Messi scored 40-45 league goals, safe to say they don't win the title w/o him (unless all those 40 goals came in one game.) Anyway, it's clear at this point that you're so triggered that nobody can converse with you, so I'll let you have the last rant.
You have a history of this to put it mildly You are Argentine A Barcelona fan (even if your name suggests otherwise) And have a unhealthy hatred for all things CR/real Madrid Your online persona disqualifies you and triggers me Not necessarily what you say Someone else could've said what you said and I would still disagree but not so vehemently
If I was you right now I'd accuse you of being 'anti Portuguese' Agreeing with garbage level posts Having an agenda Etc LIke you did when i 'agreed' with tropiero on the VVD/Alisson situation But I won't return the favour because I see the bigger picture
My problem with Nations League is that it's basically a glorified friendly. Let's not pretend for one second that it's a competition comparable to say the Euro Cup. That being said, I'd probably still put Ronaldo in the top 3 for last season. No one else stands out as better and that's what it comes down to at the end of the day. Mane had a terrific year but can you say he played better than Ronaldo? You can't IMO. Just being honest.
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https://understat.com/league/Serie_A/2018 Cristiano Ronaldo had the same amount of non penalty goals (16) in serie a last season as Caglaria's Pavoletti. They were sharing the 5th place for the most non penalty goals. Pavoletti played 50 minutes more in the season. Likes of Milik and Piatek, as well as Zapata and Quagliarella had similar if not better goalscoring seasons in serie a Cristiano did average more expected non penalty goals per 90 minutes, suggesting that his off the ball movement, as expected, was on the different class to the rest. But it dropped significantly from his seasons in Real, suggesting the lack of end product in Cristianos game whenever there is no the right service fir him. But i am getting off topic. Non penatly goals per 90' Ronaldo 0.63 Zapata 0.59 Dzeko 0.53 Milik 0.53 Martinez 0.49 Piatek 0.49 Mertens 0.47 Quagliarella 0.46 This goes in favor of Ronaldo because juve was arguably worse attacking team than Atalanta and Napoli. The part where Ronaldo ********s up is this: he scored 2.76 less non penatly goals than expected when the rest of his competition, although were unable to get in as many chances as Ronaldo, were much more clinical with their shots. Virtually everyone in top 10 goalscorers scored more than expected non penalty goals except for Ronaldo. Tho Ronaldo has never been the guy who excells at finishing (not since 2015), 2.76 is bellow his standards. Still i would argue he was the best goalscorer of the campaign but thats very unimpressive stuff. His competition were Zapata, Quagliarella, Milik, Piatek, etc. Imagine Aguero, Kane, Mbappe, Lewandowski (in form) there. Let alone Messi. Among those players, Ronaldo was much more creative and consistent outside penalty box so his the best player of serie a award should not come to question, but again. He had league campaign waaay bellow his standards. (Just to say it, you dont get the extra points if you do it at the age of 34) From the last 5 seasons i have data on. These were Ronaldos numbers for expected non penalty goals: 2014/15 - 0.88 (+8.69) 2015/16 - 0.82 (+0.10) 2016/17 - 0.69 (-0.47) 2017/18 - 0.94 (-1.03) 2018/19 - 0.63 (-2.76) Numbers in the brackets indicate did he exceeded the expected value of non penalty goals or not. As you can see, his finishing is steadily getting worse and worse. Funny how 2 league titles he won in last 5 years coincede with two of his worst seasons individually. Plus seasons in which he missed plenty of games. Nations league is glorified friendly as it was stated already. Nobody is counting Costas 5 goals vs Real although it was technically a tournament or Audi cup, Gamper cup, etc. No dutch person is losing sleep over losing that final, i will tell you that. The turnament with no tradition, therefore no value whatsoever. Although those are 2 impressive performances in no way was that single handedly pulling your team out of crap or no way its more impressive than for example Lucas Mouras hattrick in semi final to make much greater comeback. If ronaldo accomplished that he would be na instant top 2 in ballon dor even if he was injured for the rest of the season. And i dont even have to hypothesis that, he won ballon dor in 2016 based on the game vs wolfsburg which is infinitely worse than Lucas hattrick. If you are going to argue ronadlo is top 3 because of two games, there are dozens of names we have to mention as his equals. Tadić for example who might have the better single performance than any in Ronaldos ucl history. Its certainly out there. Ronaldo the best player of serie a, but he wouldnt be a clear top 3 player of the season for me when so many players had an amazing season including Mane Sterling Salah, and so on and so on.
This is demented The gamper cup and audi cup are pre season competitions with literally no value The nations league is a officially recognised international competition by uefa Was the inaugural world cup a glorified friendly? Was the inaugural European championship a glorified friendly? Prestige is built over a period of time(decades even) Something being new and without history doesn't mean it's a joke I can't speak for Dutch fans but the Dutch NT were visibly distraught when they lost vs Portugal Again I'm not interested in what was 'already stated'. .. by whom? Ronaldo won the 2016 ballon dor for hat trick vs wolfsburg.... is again copy and pasted from a sub thread on messiwankfest.com It doesn't mean I think his award was uncontested No there were equally strong candidates IMO and some slightly stronger Still denying he was one of the best players in every competition he participated in is retarded Literally he was team of the tournament in euro 16 with impact in some crucial games One of the top 5 la liga players in 15/16( with MSN and griemann) One of the top champions league players I've seen much worse ballon dor candidates Much worse Lucas moura produced one of the all time KO performances vs ajax Still this is a one off(geoff Hurst vs Germany 66 is another) There is a history of Ronaldo doing what he did going back 12 years Starting with the comeback he initiated vs roma away in 2007 Ending with his 5 KO goals in 18/19 Again i don't see it unreasonable that the best of serie A And one of the stars of the champions league KO stages is a ballon dor podium candidate His worst is the career best of salah,mane or firmino
Every team that played in Euro 2016 instantly got 8M euros. Portugal as a winner of Nations league got 10.5M euros. Taking in consideration an inflation and the absolute amount of money in football has risen, winning nations league from financially stand point is as good as qualifying for Euro. If you win game in Euro you get an additional 1M and quickly get over that amount. But thats Euro 2016. Lets look at another uefa competition. Uefa champions league. Every team that qualifies for group stages gets 15.25M euros. Until prestige is built and money fund gets drastically higher, it is the tournament no player or manager dreams of winning. It didnt exist 2 years ago and it is a substitute for international frendlies, just like there is a trend in preseason to create freindly cups rather than have those friendlies in isolation. As far as i know. No top manager was sacked for underperforming in nations league. No player recieved harsh criticism.. it is a tournament of friendly character. Nobody even talks about it anymore. Olympics are more competitive and valuable. No tournamnet that has 6 games played over the stretch of 10 months will ever have more value than tournamnet that is played in less than a month. Its humanly incapable of caring about the tournament whose group stages are 6 months apart from KO. I would compare it to NBA and the timing in which they give mvp for a regular season. By the time NBA finals end, nobody cares about what happened 2 months ago in a regular season. The same is with nations league. It feels like group stages were different tournament altogether. Portugal essentially won 2 games tournament. You can not compare first world cups to it. Whole tournament was played in 17 days. Teams had preparation time and everything. It was a proper tournament. Nations league is not a seperate, organized tournament. It is played now or then in weekands that international friendlies were usually played. Nothing has changed. They just counted the scoreline from friendlies and announced the winner. If you ask me, it will never take off and be something big because of that reason. ‐--------- You said Cristiano is definite top 3 for the season. He is not. Its up for a debate. Being the serie a player of the season is not an instant top 5 of the season. I will repeat again, what competition he had in serie a? How someone like Bernardo who was the best player of Citys 4 thropies season, also voted above Ronaldo in the same nations league and eliminated at the same time in ucl as ronaldo is not a candidate for top 3 spot. Ronaldo is not a clear top 3 of the season. You dont get the extra points for 2018/19 season if you have history of doing it. By the definition of the thread, what happened before doesnt matter. Lucas hattrick was also arguable better than Ronaldos hattrick vs atleti in 2017. Lucas did it in inferior team and as a comeback. Better. He is not a candidate for podium. Ronaldo won it in 2016 for two games (one of them overrated) + goal v Wales. The weakest ballon dor winner of recent times.
Are you croatian or just biased beyond repair? You just (recently) watched Messi finish 5th place in the ballon dor behind winner luca modric Modric won the ballon dor on the basis of leading his team to champions league victory Modric was the 121st highest rated champions league player in 2017/18 I repeat Modric was the 121st highest rated champions league player according to whoscored https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...istics/Europe-UEFA-Champions-League-2017-2018 Has Ronaldo ever been worse as this When? again iniesta 2009/10 was a ballon dor runner up and no single objective source ranked him as remotely comparable to Cristiano, robben,Rooney, fabregas,xavi, sneijder etc............ Iniesta 09/10 was literally rated the 20th best of la liga(who scored) 105th best in the champions league (whoscored) Castrol didn't even consider him for 2010 world cup team of the tournament Castrol did in fact rank him the 50th best player in Europe during 2009/10 Still Ronaldo 2016 is overrated Relative to whom Iniesta 09/10 and modric 17/18? Seriously No it isn't serious but rather a very sad joke As for the rest you are masquerading yourself as an objective analyst whilst making a series of completely unsubstantiated claims Bernardo was the best player of Manchester citys 4 trophies Source (s)? Bernardo was the best of the nations league Ok but Ronaldo took a sabbatical from the NT and only returned for the SF and final. His SF was demonstrably superior to bernardos final (no contest) We could do the merry round Still from the last 25 years there were at least 8- 10 objectively worse ballon dor winners than CR 16 Weah 95 Sammer 1996 Zidane 1998 Ronaldo 2002 Nedved 2003 Shevchenko 2004 Cannavaro 2006 Kaka 2007 Modric 2018 Others are very much debatable too You're better off arguing suarez or Messi or neymar were as or even more deserving than CR 16. There are supporting arguments for either candidate Still the fact he was in the mix of the best players for the duration of the 15/16 season means he categorically cannot be considered overrated or undeserving Edit: Ronaldo won the 2013 ballon dor because of 4 goals against Sweden Ronaldo won the 2016 ballon dor because of a hat trick against wolfsburg Are moronic statements and gobellian lies You are simply demeaning yourself by repeating them
Modric is up there with him in terms of nonsensical winner. And i clearly said recent history. It would be much better if ronaldo got 2018 and modric 2016 ballon dor from individual perspective
7 - Celta haven't conceded at least seven goals in a La Liga game since 1959 (9-0 at San Mamés). Distant— OptaJose (@OptaJose) March 5, 2016 Barcelona's 39 game unbeaten run across all competitions has come to an end. Unbelievable run! pic.twitter.com/pPKffwdb0l— Squawka (@Squawka) April 2, 2016 14 - Most goals & assists at EUROs since 2004:@Cristiano 14Fàbregas 8Schweinsteiger 8.Unrivaled. pic.twitter.com/Pu30Dz5PHY— OptaJohan (@OptaJohan) July 6, 2016 He made history in 3 major competitions in a single year In la liga In the champions league In the European championship Luca modric as great as he was (is?) simply doesn't compare to Ronaldo 16 Not even in the same stratosphere
This is off topic but Griezmann was the best player in 2015/16 followed by Ronaldo and Messi. Scored the only goal to beat Real away Dispatched Barcelona and Bayern from the UCL Was the top scorer and best player of Euro It was more or less the same scenario as Sneijder 2010
I am fimiliar with every footstep ronaldo made in 2016. Its more with how many bad moments he had rather than good ones and still got away with it because his team went through. If we are not going to count bad moments in big games than Messi overall has to get every single one of ballon dors in last 10 years apart from maybe 2013 cuze injuries. Thats literally only argument one could have against Messi every year. Ronaldo can not compare with Messi in the amount of "vs celta" games through years. Messi has those much more regularly than ronaldo. That one vs celta is one of my favorites actually and i use it as an example of what ronaldo at best does.