No, it's different. It resets after 10 and they don't have to be on the field at the end. And I don't have my book in front of me but I believe you don't reduce to equate either.
Our state has a local change where you can use the first five kickers again in the sudden death portion.
To make things even more interesting, last year in Georgia HS play we did ABBA. I loved explaining that. And trying to keep track of it.
The above exchange makes me worried about the weeks this fall where I’ll have to apply 3 different sets of rules in the space of 72 hours. It’s so frustrating. I’m hopeful one day common sense will prevail and the academic jurisdictions will move from having their own rule books to adopting LOTG with their own modifications. But I know I’m delusional.
And they don't actually have to be on the roster, since they can be added to the roster at the time. So if you go to KFTPM, you can pull an eligible student out of the stands, kit them up, and send them out. posstscript is that in the state playoff, max 25 player rosters must be submitted to the state by some deadline prior to the start of the tournament, so this oddity really can't happen since most games prior to states can end in ties.
And in high school soccer, players can be added to the roster at any time. The students at the high school that I work at were complaining to me (they know I am a referee) that they lost when a player who wasn't on the roster scored a goal. They didn't discover this until after the game. However, the ruling is that a player can be added to the roster at any time, which includes after the game!
It should be noted here that Tie Breaker procedures are actually up to the state high school associations. What is in the NFHS rule book (page 83) is only a "sample" set of procedures. E.g. some states play golden goal in overtime. Some do not. This year's rule change about the clock stopping in the last five minutes of the game will only apply in overtime if your state does not use golden goal (since, when one team is ahead, the game is over) and your state has added that rule to their tie breaker procedures.
Georgia, for example, last year abruptly changed from the traditional two ten-minute OTs to one 15-minute, and everybody said, "Wait, what?" We're kind of expecting to see that reversed, but it hasn't happened yet.
Or you could be like New York where we have golden gold overtime for boys and a full overtime for girls!
Our state eliminated the sudden death round years ago. Two 15 minute sudden-victory overtimes, followed by a best of 5 first round of KFTM, followed by a second best of 5 (different kickers), rinse and repeat. There is talk of eliminating KFTM all together and doing something else. There was talk of removing a player from each team from the field after each overtime session
So if KFTPM is tied after five each, your state does another five, regardless? Taking one player off the field sounds cool but they will inevitably end up with a game that goes something like five or six 15 minute overtimes, essentially two full games, and still no result. So what if they are at one v one, still full field, and are still tied after 15 minutes? The mascots then come out and play, as long as they're on the roster? Even if it doesn't happen, you still have to have a rule that says what happens then. Otherwise, Murphy's law will prevail.
I had an idea for OT for FIA et al, Instead of 2x 15min periods, then KFTM, you shorten the field by X yards then each team gets to pick two players from the opposing team to remove (GK not counted), then play another 5 mins, then repeat , removing one, shorten the field until a certain point, then play until everyone dies, or golden goal after so many periods. Like hockey 3v3, only way moar betterer
That option must have been floated by someone whom A) doesn't pay the stadium lighting bill and 2) doesn't see a student athlete 1st period after game day.
Definitely. In fact, as long as they're fixing stuff, why don't they just repeal Murphy's Law and be done with it?
Removing players was what Hawaii did when I was in HS. At the end of regulation each side removed a player and again after each 5 min overtime period. There was a limit though where it would go to KFTM, I don't remember what the minimum was.
Correct. If tied after the first five, there is a second best of five with new takers. If still tied, a third five where everyone is again eligible. If still tied, a fourth round, but no one from the third round can re-take. And on and on. I think the idea is still germinating. Don't know if they have thought of that.
So dumb. Why can't they just word it that they have to select ten different kickers but only first five are mandatory to kick, etc, etc. Even in my NFHS games I always have them send 10 kickers out there, just makes it easier so if we have to go past 5 kickers each I don't have to go over to the coaches and have them send out a fresh 5 and slow down the kicks.
When we go to kicks in HS games here, both teams come out to the center circle (separated on opposite sides of it of course) and just send up their kickers one by one. I simply track the jersey numbers and make sure there are no repeat takers in the first ten. It's not difficult or awkward at all and has always (knock wood) gone smoothly for me. Even ABBA wasn't as awful as I made it sound last year.
Michigan tells us at least several times per year that we can't do that. Only the 10 kickers can be on the field, the rest must be in the technical areas. There's even a question on the post season eligibility test on it every year. Personally, I'd rather have the barbarians out there on the field with my trail AR between them, than have 8-10 on the field with the AR and another 40 over on the sideline, unmanaged.
There were a couple other states in between, but yes. Wife grew up here. Ironically a high school classmate of mine lives a few miles away.
One of my friends is the track coach at UH. All of the Hawaiian kids want to get off the rock. He recruits in Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, etc.
Since the coach can select any players on the roster and does not have to decide in advance who the next kicker will be, I let them all, by rule, be in the center circle, including the coaches, with the exception of any red carded player, who has to stay on the bench. (Also makes sure that a red carded player doesn't get to kick.) Win together, lose together. Never had a problem. Attention is always on their teammate (kicker or goalkeeper) and not on the opponents sitting a few feet away.