how are they racist and transphobes? BTW i don't support them but never heard anything racist or "transphobic" about them.
Here... let me google that for you..... https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ben_Shapiro https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos Honestly don't know if you were joking, brainwashed by their rhetoric or simply trolling.
Do you have any reasonable links or only https://rationalwiki.org ? https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=RationalWiki
No, it's the constant use of if you don't support what I say then you are a white supremacists. Much like a preacher with a bible who can't be wrong because he interprets the bible correctly and you don't. Also pretending that antifa is using violence in a good way and nothing will ever go wrong....even though it has. Besides, when I'm in Chester taking in a Union game, the last thing I ever worry about is a white supremacy group. Thinking a banner is going to stop a shooter is just as crazy as the shooter.
In the build up to the last presidential election I was called a Nazi simply because I was against the violence I saw in videos of people getting attacked who were leaving a Trump Rally in San Jose. The people weren't looking to engage, just leaving the event and mobs of people were running around attacking them. I think that type of mindless violence pushes people to the extremes and only fuels the growth of the right wing extremist groups. However, I am apparently a Nazi because I hold that view point. That is a pretty standard view point I see in discourse these days. Anyways, I enjoyed watching this documentary. There may be a time for violence, it has had some success getting racists out of certain music scenes for example. But its not against random people who aren't looking to engage you. And its not where innocents can get caught up in it and potentially injured.
1. You’re wrong. What is the point of posting bullshit? 2. Again, it seems like you’re saying “Nazis: Good or Bad?” is a live political question. If it is, we’re ********ed. Because “Nazis are bad” really should be as controversial as saying “murder is bad.”
Nobody here is saying Nazis aren't bad. We all agree on that. What some are saying is many many people are using the term Nazis to wrongly label anyone they disagree with. We can't have any civil conversations while that type of labeling is going on. There are many who are labeling anyone who is conservative as a Nazis and trying to silence them. They are using the term as a veiled way of labeling anyone of a conservative mindset. It is childish and lazy to just try to silence and label anyone you disagree with. We have got to stop with the whole mindset of if you disagree with someone that means you hate them. Disagreeing and hate are massively different things. You can completely disagree with someone and still respect/love them and live peacefully with them. We have lost site of this somewhere down the road. All the shouting has to stop. We are headed down a very dangerous path.
Reeeaaally? And of course, as per liberalism, there's no room for debate here, correct? Because you liberals are so convinced that you are so right and just. And btw, ANTIFA is one of the most fascist organizations that I have ever encountered. And there's no room for debate here.
Whether you agree/disagree with the messaging, is this really what you want to see when you go to any soccer game? My fear is these types of displays can incite/provoke confrontation and lead to people getting hurt. When that happens, it won't matter how right you think you were. https://t.co/QdWrGQbCir— Alexi Lalas (@AlexiLalas) August 14, 2019 I think I agree with this. I find the current attitude from this administration towards immigrants to be pretty deplorable. And ICE is the personification of it. But when I go to a match, I don't want to see a banner that says "F*** (anybody)."
I’m sorry that I was unable to find political meaning in a painting of a panda with a t-shirt setting stuff on fire with laser beam eyes. That’s 101-level stuff there.
Neither of y’all know what antifa is. It’s your Emmanuel Goldstein. This is NOT me endorsing antifa. It’s me telling y’all you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ll repeat my earlier point...I can distinguish between being a white supremacist and being in favor of lowering the top marginal tax rate. If you can’t that is a you problem. I’m not in charge of MLS, but yeah, “******** ICE” is political. Allowing that will inevitably put the league into the position of splitting hairs at a submicroscopic level. But I disagree with your last point. ******** NYRB is not just allowed, but encouraged.
So, "some" people calling Conservatives "Nazis" is the sign we're headed down a dangerous path, not the assassination of an abortion doctor in Kansas or the massacres of blacks in a church in Charlottesville or of immigrants in El Paso? Or how about the across-the-board rise in hate crimes? I think it's pretty easy to not get mistaken for a Nazi, personally. But hey -- even if you are, you might maybe get punched or jumped in an extreme case. Which means it's still less safe in this country to be black, Muslim, or LGBTQ, than it is to be a Nazi.
Have you not paid any attention to what conservative media has been saying for the last 25-30 years? That train left the station ages ago.
That's not an either / or. They're all dangerous signs. In fact, I submit that the loss of civility, the loss of respect for someone with a different point of view, is the gateway to all the rest. After all, if you feel, for example, that the half of the country that didn't vote the way you did is somehow less-than-human, it makes it easier to treat them that way.
Alright, guys. I know it's a fine line to walk here, but let's keep the conversation on the part of the subject that tied to the in-stadium policy.
The "policy" is part of the MLS Fan Code of Conduct. https://www.mlssoccer.com/fan-code-of-conduct A first offense for political signage carries a maximum penalty of three games, and may receive merely a warning. An apology, request for reinstatement and a certificate of attendance in a $250 awareness class are not prescribed for Level 2 first-time offenses. Indeed, the class-attendance penalty is expressly authorized only for someone "who commits any two offenses in the category." And an apology is not a prescribed penalty for any offense. Yet three game suspensions were applied, subject to the additional humiliating, expensive and unauthorized sanctions in Atlanta. https://www.dirtysouthsoccer.com/20...jected-from-supporters-section-during-protest As I say, MLS' enforcement of its "policy" is arbitrary and capricious.
Nice hypothetical, but has nothing to with reality, like the point I responded to. Have we seen an increase in violence toward people who voted for a certain unpopular candidate? No. Have you seen an increase in violence against the people who have, historically, been them most vulnerable and most likely the be dehumanized in this society (native people, blacks, Muslims, gays etc.)? Yes, you have. The idea that "all sides" are just as likely to resort to violence in a political disagreement is a historical inaccuracy.
Interestingly enough, there was a very brief shot on the video board (like about a second) of some folks holding up a MAGA banner at Allianz Field Wednesday night. I wonder what the reaction would have been had they left the shot up for a bit longer?
I will say this about the policy. I self identify as a Republican, though I did not vote for Trump. I say this only for context, because I have been a soccer fan and an MLS fan for longer than I have been a Republican, since I watched Game 1 when I was in 8th grade as a huge US and Eric Wynalda fan. MLS has been a big part of my life, and I have dragged tons of people to Fire games in three different stadiums. It's gotten to the point where being a Republican and a soccer fan has become a huge pain in the ass, because many people are making it clear that they don't want you there, even just to watch the sport. This isn't brand new for me, as the supporter groups for the Fire have always shown a socialist bent, but it has certainly grown more awkward in the last few years. When I get called a Nazi, as has happened albeit not exactly to my face, it seems silly to me as I am of mixed race, and the farthest thing from what they want. However, it makes me not want to attend games too. Heck, with respect to that Detroit sign, I even know a BigSoccer member of much longer vintage than that team who became a border agent. I'm not apolitical. I follow plenty of places that discuss that area, and I am perfectly happy to engage. However, I just want to watch my team, not in peace, but in full allegiance with my fellow fans in hating that other team not wearing red. Can we lay aside our differences for two hours and watch?
The no politics policy is the problem. If MLS simply ignored political banners, no one would pay any attention to them and they would fade away. However, having called attention to them by banning them, the politicized messages will proliferate. It's always that way with censorship, which is inherently counter-productive.