6:20 is a ball roll followed by a reverse step over. Neymar scored a goal against Austria with that skill. 6:30 is probably a ball roll flick. It's a training ground move I've never seen anyone replicating in real matches Do you know Pele's goal against Juventus was actually against the Brazilian club Atletico Juventus not the Italian one?
I think the YouTube uploader is calling it a 'Rolica' here (Suker vs Germany 1996): Pele did score this against Italian Juventus (1961 I believe actually):
The one on the Ronaldo video was really great though, slickly combining the step over with the ball roll as one move.
I've pointed out this before, but; There are indeed legitimate questions possibly about the originality of 'the turn' (he already did against Benfica in 1969). However, a crucial part of the effectiveness and practicality is to feign you'll shoot, pass or cross and do the subsequent turn in one fluent motion. It's not just pulling the ball behind your standing leg - naturally they already did this as far as football existed (that already happens on video in the 1950s). Pelé might have done it earlier, but not on this video - he doesn't feign he'll shoot, cross or pass. That said, there is some professor (Wolfgang Schöllhorn and his 'differential learning') who found out that the turn was never the same twice. There was in effect not one turn but many turns. This of course the commentary made by some great footballers (including on Fooballs Greatest I think?) that they don't really practice 'tricks' and it just happens spontaneously.
Yeah, I tried to find a video that showed the goal by Pele vs Juventus, that wasn't the one with the title mentioning the Cruyff turn....but it seems like maybe it's the only one that properly shows it. I know that on the forum we already discussed that aspect anyway, so I was just showing that Pele did score an excellent goal vs Juventus, of Italy, back in the day, although reportedly not as good as the one against the other Juventus.
In terms of practice I do suspect Ronaldo probably did practice that one at 6:20 on the video talked about on the previous page (the one Carlito picked out and I said was very impressive too). It seems much more a move that would need to be rehearsed, or at least pre-planned in his head....although I could be wrong! The actual Cruyff turn by Cruyff, with the feint to kick and the flick through his own legs, I can understand was a spontaneous move to solve a 'problem' the first time he did it yeah.
Just When will you get red carded Sigh!!!! ive been a member roughly three years and havent read a single post by you or ozora that made any logical sense
Get a grip .. Read the post I quoted.. it’s ambiguous to the extreme .. It’s no good anyone referring to ‘Ronaldo’ as the greatest striker as it will never be clear which one .. It ain’t exactly rocket science tbf
I’ve seen this a while ago. Things were pretty different back then . Romario was always a simple guy .
I'm feeling nostalgic about a time I never lived lol But I'm going there in a few weeks for a few weeks can't wait(literally) he spoke Dutch(?) pretty well having not been there for too long I have relatives like him (i call them beach bums lol) Spending all summer on the beach, drinking,partying and playing volleyball or beach soccer look at that shack he use to live in his old barrio/favela and what he became. Can't blame him,not at all for wanting to enjoy himself Its much easier to be and stay professional when you never had to struggle Romario had different goals from your modern day professional, he clearly enjoyed football and winning but not at the expense of training and dedication which infringed on his other pastime activities
I've also heard the opposite though, where people work hard precisely because of their rough backgrounds. They work hard because they never want to go back to the way things were for them. It'd be interesting if anyone has done some kind of longitudinal studies on these kind of things.
Wasn’t Gianluca Vialli from an extremely wealthy family ?? Seem to recall they had their own pitch inside the mansion grounds or something and they invited teams to come and play against his team !?! Maybe getting confused with someone else ...
R9 1996/1997, 1997/1998 and 2002/2003 (specially if you include the WC2002) are def World Class. 2003-2004, 2004-2005 and 1994-1996 period (PSV) too, but in less level.
R9 in his peak according Elo Football Barcelona 1996/1997 11º ===> 3º Inter Milan 1997/1998 9º ===> 2º http://elofootball.com/index.php#club Real Madrid 2002/2003 6º ===> 4º
Arguably R9s most devastating "phenomenon performance" in serie A 97/98 (and by extension one of the all time great performances by a striker) From this generation of strikers perhaps only suarez vs Norwich 2013 can compare I don't think Henry reached this level (not his poker vs Leeds or hat trick vs Liverpool)
Perhaps his two goals and one assist against Inter Milan at the San Siro in 2004? In my opinion, if he had scored his glorious chance in the 2006 UCL final, we would have won the title, and that would have gone down as his best and most iconic match. The amount of work he had to do, up front all alone with almost no support, was phenomenal.
The comparison was limited to league football(the examples I presented were in a league context) You can say perhaps Liverpool isn't Norwich but at the same time Henry couldn't destroy mid table-relegation league teams as either one of R9 or suarez If the comparison was champions league football Than R9 has his performance vs Manchester United as his one marquee champions league game Suarez too had at least 1 iconic performance in the champions league vs PSG 2015 Out of the 3 I think TH14 was the greatest performer against traditional top 4 teams (also Scoring great technical goals against Manchester United and Liverpool for example which R9 could never do vs juventus/Milan/Barcelona/real Madrid) Against the mid table sides and relegation threatened teams I think R9 and Luis suarez were a class apart(these teams account for the majority of games played in a season too so they carry weight) At league level 1.)Luis suarez (4 world class seasons 2012/13-2015-16) Other seasons as his last for ajax and last two for Barcelona were greater than Henry pre 2002 and post 2009 2.)Thierry Henry 5 world class seasons 2002-2006 and 08/ 09 3 )R9 3 world class seasons 1996-1998 and 2002/03 Other seasons as his first for PSV,98/99 and 03/04 were greater than anything Henry showed pre 2002 and post 2009 At champions league level 1.)Thierry Henry 2.)Luis suarez 3.)R9 AT international level 1.)R9 2.)luis suarez 3.)thierry Henry The biggest disparity was at international level (R9 lead by a huge margin in gpg,tournament goals and trophies) The smallest gap was at league level Even though I think at club level suarez was for a period 2013-2016(albeit with a huge dip in form at the start of 14/15) greater as Henry and comparable to R9 (less technical of course but a significant improvement in defensive work rate and play making) in his first 120 matches for Barcelona suarez scored 100 goals+49 assists This is really absurd There is team edge to take into account but one must also consider suarez wasn't the first choice pen taker or FK taker at Barcelona as R9 was at inter and barca Suarez was more reliant on service but at the same time he offered more via his vision and team play that this probably balances out In two consecutive prime seasons R9 had less than 20 assists Between 6-11 at Barcelona and 6 at inter 97/98 This was good for the time but as has been noted less compared to Romario 93/94 or weah 95/96 So if R9s goalscoring was an outlier than his assists and play making most probably wasn't
5 milestones that proved van bastens greatness 1.) 4 open play goals in a single match, against a top 4 periodic side in the number 1 ranked league in Europe. This is something no forward/striker of the last 30 years has done except Lionel Messi in la liga 2011/12 (La liga 11/12 was the number 1 ranked league in Europe and he did so against 4th place malaga -If I recall correctly) 2.)the only European striker of his generation to score 5 or more goals in 2 separate matches (once for ajax and the other for the national team) 3.)was able to complete a grand slam of big game scoring in European competitions Scorer in a European championship final Scorer in a European championship semi final Scorer in a European cup final Scorer in a European cup semi final Scorer in a cup winners cup final Again the only striker of his generation to complete this full set 4.)became the first player in the history of the champions league to score 4 goals in a single match doing so in the inaugural CL season 5.)played his last game at 27 years old and was a 3× European player of the year I personally don't see any of his awards as debatable except 92 where Stoichkov definitely gave him a run for his money
@PDG1978 I've looked extensively but cannot find Matthew li tissiers performance vs Newcastle in 1993/94 with all his touches Do you have any recollection of his all round performance here (in addition to obviously 2 of the greatest goals in PL history scored in a single match)
No, I'm sorry I can't help with that and I don't think I'd have seen the game in full anyway. It's not on the Footballia website, but maybe worth checking if anyone is selling it on DVD or anything. It was a Sky TV game was it do you think (I tend to think it might have been without checking)? I'm not sure whether @leadleader had found and watched it all somewhere (maybe not though)?