NFHS Rule Changes 2019-2020

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Kit, Feb 26, 2019.

  1. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like added time better. ;)
     
  2. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unfortunately, added time is not calculated sufficiently. Just look at the professional leagues.
     
  3. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Define sufficiently. Because I fail to see how referees aren’t giving sufficient time but somehow players feel they need an extra substitution in over time.

    By the first logic they haven’t played a whole game anyway, why do they then need an extra sub?
     
  4. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    I'm afraid I might forget to apply that when the lead is 8-1.
     
  6. MJ91

    MJ91 Member

    United States
    Jan 14, 2019
    So, does 3-4-3 also apply if the losing team has the throw in when we beckon their subs but the winning team also happens to have a sub waiting and they come on too?

    Or, technically, are we actually beckoning on the losing team's subs since it's their throw-in and the opponent subs are just coat-tailing the substitution opportunity?
     
  7. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    NFHS must be getting drafting assistance from IFAB. . . .
     
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  8. Rocinante

    Rocinante Member

    Oct 9, 2018
    All substitutes must be beckoned to enter the field of play, except at the beginning of a period. See 3-4-2, 3-4-1a, and 3-4-1b in particular.

    So I think it would apply to any substitution involving a winning team player (except if you have Bubba Atlanta's memory problems :whistling:).
     
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  9. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So what other rules are you going to "forget". Be careful going down that slippery slope.
     
  10. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are the situations that this applies to:
    1. Winning team subs, clock stops
    2. Both winning and losing team sub, clock stops
    3. Losing team subs, no stoppage
    4. Game is tied, no stoppage

    It's actually pretty simple. I don't really see the problem here. It has been this way at the college level for several years.
     
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  11. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    No worries ... it's all downhill from here.
     
  12. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any time that the winning team subs in the last five minutes in the second half, the clock is stopped even if the losing team is also subbing.
     
  13. MJ91

    MJ91 Member

    United States
    Jan 14, 2019
    Thanks, that is how I read it. I have found a couple of points spelled out in the NFHS "Situations" sections that I might not have deduced 100% correctly on my own without having read them, so occasionally I ask some dumb questions just to be sure.
     
  14. Vinnydabody

    Vinnydabody Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    With the dropped ball changes in IFAB this year, IFAB and NFHS will once again be out of sync on restarts from injury. I'm not looking forward to low level NFHS matches where most of the players don't understand the concept of the "fair play" dropped ball. :(
     
  15. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It'll also be different because in NFHS, the ball still has to leave the penalty area on goal kicks and defensive free kicks before it is in play. In IFAB, the ball only has to be kicked. My bet is that NFHS will adopt the new IFAB drop ball and rules for defensive free free kicks/penalty kicks next year. That's how long it took them to adopt allowing kickoffs to be taken in any direction. NFHS is always behind FIFA/IFAB because the NFHS changes are announced in February while IFAB is later in the spring. It would be nice if NFHS just adopted IFAB Laws.
     
  16. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Yes, and it would be nice if premium beer poured from my water tap....

    The structure of NFHS guarantees it will never happen. The rule books are a key part of how they make money. If they simply adopt the LOTG, they lose that as a revenue source. I don’t think there is any constituency in that power structure that thinks conforming to FIFA is enough of a goal to warrant that.
     
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  17. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Excuse my ignorance, but is there a true sporting reason for them to have their own rule system? I get the money-making consideration, but I bet a survey of coaches, players, and referees would overwhelmingly support simply adopting LOTG.
     
  18. RespectTheGame

    May 6, 2013
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    In life, ALWAYS follow the money.
     
  19. Geko

    Geko Member

    Sacremento Geckos
    United States
    May 25, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    something something "they're student athletes"
     
  20. kayakhorn

    kayakhorn Member+

    Oct 10, 2011
    Arkansas
    I think @Law5 once described it as NFHS looks at it not as soccer being played in high school but rather as a high school competition that resembles soccer. The emphasis is on it being a school activity that is governed similarly to other school activities. Fortunately through the concerted efforts of certain individuals the rule differences between the LOTG and NFHS rules have been decreasing over the last decade or so.
     
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  21. uws22

    uws22 Member

    Celtic
    Sep 8, 2012
    Wisconsin
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    I like to call NFHS rules the "maximization of participation."
    Injured player? Sub them off so someone else can play. Yellow card? Sub them off so someone else can play. Unlimited subs. Expanded roster. Player not on roster? Just add them on.
     
  22. Geko

    Geko Member

    Sacremento Geckos
    United States
    May 25, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This still baffles me to this day. Random kid comes up at halftime and feels like giving soccer a go? Write his name on the roster, good to go.
     
  23. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NFHS says that it's rules are designed for students as opposed to adults and that the sporting environment is an extension of the class, which should be reflected in the rules.
     
  24. kayakhorn

    kayakhorn Member+

    Oct 10, 2011
    Arkansas
    It's not going to happen often because the coach has to know that the kid is a student at the school and meets any other school criteria to be eligible to play. So it's not going to be completely random.
     
  25. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that rule still comes from the pre-computer days when most rosters were handwritten so it was easy to add names. The only time that this has become a factor in a game for me was when a player had a different number than what was listed on the roster. The opposing coach complained so I asked the player's coach. It turned out the player got blood on his uniform at the last game. Since the roster can be changed at any time, we simply changed the number on the roster!

    Does any one know what roster rules are like for other high school sports?
     

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