Pan Am Games 2019

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  1. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    July 28 - August 10 in Lima, Peru. World Cup participants Jamaica & Argentina are playing. Jamaica drawn into a tough group.

    Group A
    Mexico
    Jamaica
    Paraguay
    Colombia

    Group B
    Costa Rica
    Panama
    Peru
    Argentina
     
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  2. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member+

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    Not having Brazil or Chile, the top two teams at the 2018 Copa América, makes this tournament rather irrelevant.
     
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  3. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    ....as if it weren't already without USA or CAN?
     
  4. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005

    USA & Canada declined the invite, which is why Mexico & Costa Rica are playing. The CONMEBOL berths were determined from the World Cup qualifiers. The top two(Brazil & Chile), for whatever reason, don't participate. The third-fifth place teams do(plus host Peru).
     
  5. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    The top two in CONMEBOL weren't slated to participate for the exact same reason that the top in CONCACAF declined invites - focusing on the WWC. It's not any national team's fault that CONMEBOL were smarter about their invites than CONCACAF was.

    Also, you dodged the question.
     
  6. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member+

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    United States missed the 2015 and 2011 editions already. Canada missing now is bad news.
     
  7. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Just for clarification, the didn't "miss" as in not qualifying - they've always qualified but opted out. Which I think is a shame, because in the past they've chosen to instead send a U23 or U20 team.
     
  8. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
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  9. Tapas&Fútbol

    Tapas&Fútbol Member

    Real Betis
    Spain
    Apr 11, 2019
    Seville (Spain)
  10. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    And another :cry:
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  11. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    It's terrible that Argentina and Colombia are dropping players who tried to improve their conditions. It's a constant saga there.

    That's known as "an improvement" lol
    (Sorry, Canada, you're collateral in this joke)

    Just keep saying it, NEW NAME ON THE TROPHY, it feels good to say.
    Is there a trophy? :oops: or just medals?



    Day 1 (Sunday) in group A and B

    Mexico [​IMG] v [​IMG] Jamaica (10.00)
    Paraguay [​IMG] v [​IMG] Colombia (13.00)

    Panama [​IMG] v [​IMG] Costa Rica (17.30)
    Argentina [​IMG] v [​IMG] Peru (20.30)
    Peru time is GMT-5

    Not sure about live coverage - outside the Américas, some sports are on Mediapro on Youtube.

    [​IMG]
    The Estadio San Marcos will host the football tournament
    (photo: Dieter xD, cc-by-sa)
     
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  12. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member+

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    Mediapro is a production company, not a broadcaster.

    Panamericanos broadcasts are meant for consumption within the Americas.
    Best bet is to check VOD offers.
    ESPN has all games on digital broadcast, although not sure if they will be televised completely. There might be breaks to show other Panamericanos events.

    All games for Peru squads will be broadcast in full by main Peruvian TV channels. Check Latina.pe and Panamericana.pe. You will need a VPN to watch their digital streams.
     
  13. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member+

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    Colombia's coach Nelson Abadia called up players which publicly denounced mistreatment by the Colombian FA. Their claims were made via press conference on March 8th 2019.
    Among them was Daniela Montoya. Audio recordings were shown as proof of former federation president Luis Bedoya coercing NT coach Felipe Taborda into blacklisting Montoya. It was retribution against Montoya for demanding prize payments.
    Yoreli Rincon did not attend that conference.

    If 13 players denounced the Colombia FA for various mistreatments, then why 5 of them are at the Panamericanos, while Rincon is out?

    Rincon no longer plays at Huila, where she was Libertadores 2018 champion, earning a $55K team prize. An agreement was signed between club and players for prize distribution. After Rincon voiced her concerns about small prize allocation while still in Brazil, her club agreed to double their previously agreed allocation, paid upon their return to Colombia.

    Rincon threw her Panamericanos colleagues under the bus, saying she was not surprised they accepted her absence from the Lima call up. Only Daniela Montoya mentioned her absence... after all, both Montoya and Rincon are now teammates at Barranquilla.
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    Truth is that 18 players can travel to Lima. Coach Abadia included Rincon in his 23-player roster for Copa America 2018.
    She did not make the cut, while 5 whistle-blowers did.
     
  14. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
  15. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member+

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    #16 bigsoccertst1, Aug 3, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2019
    Today was a good day for Conmebol squads.
    Both Colombia and Paraguay eliminated Mexico, leaving just 1 Concacaf team in semifinals: Costa Rica.

    ESPN Play is showing several Panamericanos Games events live, and apparently for free (watching from USA w/o sports package).
    Complete replay of women soccer games is available for free as well.
    http://www.espn.com/watch/collections/19766/event-replays
    (better listing: http://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/?type=replay)

    If possible, support/watch material provided by official broadcasters.
    These companies always count viewership in order to make business decisions on future women's soccer broadcasts.

    MEX 2-2 COL
    Complete game replay: http://www.espn.com/watch/player?bucketId=19766&id=298c87a5-be46-4697-925f-a61467d9941a

    PAR 3-1 JAM
    Complete game replay: http://www.espn.com/watch/player?bucketId=19766&id=a16f2f2d-6c2d-424a-a926-6e22884a2344
     
  16. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    I wonder if Jamaica would have done better if Khadija "Bunny" Shaw was playing for them? Only 1 goal for them in group play is pretty sad.
     
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  17. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    It looks like Jamaica's squad here was quite different – missing about half of their World Cup starters. Not a good summer for them...

    We usually link to that (and ESPN will appreciate the 10 clickthroughs they get from BigSoccer). But international multisport events tend to be severely geoblocked.

    Mediapro, the host broadcaster I linked to upthread, streamed 6 hours of coverage today for non-Pan-Americans, and this was all the women's soccer they showed:

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    ...just hours of paddleboarding and British commentators shouting "vamos". Hope the CBC showed some soccer, but they barely mention it online.

    So, only for unlucky people with bad TVs, here are the highlights:

    Group A
    Mexico [​IMG] 2–2 [​IMG] Colombia
    - youtu.be/KPZZ3y1l7Wg
    [​IMG]


    Paraguay 3–1 Jamaica
    - youtu.be/LmFFgBxhQDU
    [​IMG]


    Mariana Larroquette hit a penalty onto the post in this one:

    Costa Rica [​IMG] 0–0 [​IMG] Argentina with cool jackets
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    Some consolation for the hosts in a dead rubber:

    Panama [​IMG] 1–1 [​IMG] Peru
    https://depor.com/futbol-peruano/se...eportes-juegos-panamericanos-lima-2019-126462

    Final table, Group A: Paraguay 7pts, Colombia 5, Mexico 4, Jamaica 0

    Group B: Costa Rica 7pts, Argentina 7, Panama 1, Peru 1
     
  18. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member+

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    Too bad ESPN is US-geoblocked then. The CBC live video interface is awful too.

    Mediapro is a big TV producer in Spain, which creates content for some sport networks. Likely, it won't broadcast its main PanAm content for free, due to its contract with TV channels in the Americas.

    Marca Claro has simultaneous youtube streams showing all PanAm games, but is Mexico-geofenced. That's the source of most pirated content on youtube.

    One official broadcaster shows highlights without geofencing: Panam Sports Channel (tested for Canada, UK and US).
    No live broadcasts though. Similar situation as Mediapro, cannot undercut TV channels in the Americas with free live streams.

    Semifinal matches are next Tuesday, along with bouts for 7th+5th place:
    JAM-PER (7th)
    MEX-PAN (5th)
    PAR-ARG
    CRC-COL

    Fire up your US or Mexican VPN to watch them live.
     
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  19. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Aside from Paraguay beating Mexico, group A went just about as I expected it to go... Group B also pretty unsurprising overall. I know people were high on Jamaica after their WWC qualification, but... Let's be real, Jamaica only avoided being last place at the WWC because the USA demolished Thailand. They weren't supposed to be there, and it shouldn't surprise people that the second tier of C'BOL sides are better than Jamaica.

    I may try to do my quick ranking estimates soon to see what changes come from this tournament. Probably not much since the PanAms tournament is just gonna count as basic friendlies for FIFA.
     
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  20. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    Jamaica also only had about half of their World Cup squad for these games. Their star player, Khadija "Bunny" Shaw, wasn't playing either.
     
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  21. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    Sorry I was snooty about paddleboarding, it's actually really relaxing to watch. (Being fair, Mediapro does show a lot of sports, but more football & paddleboarding plz)

    "They" meaning Thailand, or "they" meaning Jamaica? Also, I'd like to demand that Fifa install a 31st-place playoff in future World Cups.
     
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  22. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    quite a disapointment from Mexico once again. They sould of had a lot in their favor;
    an experienced squad(including Spanish league leading scorer Coral),
    popular semi pro, full time league which is currently in season,
    several American born players,
    a pretty good showing in their youth teams last year(u20 Concacaf champs/u17 WC finalists)

    should of been a recipe for success, so wonder what happened?
     
  23. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    @SiberianThunderT I'm serious, I dunno who you meant...
     
  24. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Sorry, I took the last sentence of your post to mean it really didn't matter which "they" it was, i.e. the statement "they weren't supposed to be there" could easily be applied to both. That said, I was originally talking about Jamaica, as the second half of that sentence should have implied. Jamaica (and Thailand, to be fair) are just not at WWC level.
     

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