Which tells me if a quick kick is taken and there is then yet another DOGSO, there is not to be a second quick kick allowed. Am I reading that right?
As written, yes. SOTG? Debatable. In practical terms? Going to happen as often as that CK going into the kicker's own goal . . .
This is a fairly good representation of the changes. It’s almost a cheat sheet. It’s on the old Jim Allen site. I’m not saying it’s a comprehensive take, just that it gives a referee an overview of what to expect. http://www.askasoccerreferee.com/2020-law-changes/
Already found a pretty decent error. AASR said The LOTG and the changes document says We can't go back to change a restart, but we can go back for misconduct if we miss an AR's flag.
Also after going through a presentation about the new laws, I've grown even more concerned about how "grassroots" refs will work out the handball law in the near future. Even I gained a few more questions.
For the 90-95% of referees who will be in that grassroots category, nothing about this change with handling will have any realistic impact on how they call a game. Folks in the category were all over the place before and will continue to be all over the place. They do not get enough focused instruction to change their mental picture of handling. The nuances of the terminology and changes will be lost on most and short of "If the ball hits a hand you must blow a whistle", nothing you can do will move the meter one bit. Just my $0.02.
I think this is right. I think DA events and even USL are going to be the really interesting competitions for handball. Because there are some varying capabilities with officials, even if they’ve all been identified in some way for advancement. In the past, no AR is telling a CR that he got a handling penalty wrong (unless an AR absolutely knew it didn’t even hit the hand and a CR clearly needed bailing out). But now? There’s more an incentive to fix a call if one official thinks the other has objectively got it wrong. If an assessor can show a CR and AR video of a bad penalty call, questions will be asked of how it was allowed to be interpreted that way. It’s partly a byproduct of this new law text and partially due to the idea that referees are now aspiring to a VAR world where there will be an objective yes/no answer in most cases. The old “well it hit his hand and the referee called the penalty, so that’s good enough” doesn’t fly anymore at any level of consequence for referee advancement. That said, as stated, this doesn’t apply to the vast majority of matches out there. Maybe even well in excess of 95%.
I cannot wait for the ‘19-‘20 HS season to commence. As the Federation has grown closer to the LOTG in recent years, the most recent changes with regard to handling and ball in play on free kicks coming out from inside the area, should muck things up this year! One of the good things about the new handling ruling with regard to an attacking player, it really makes things simpler.
When IFAB/FIFA began allowing kickoffs to be taken in any direction a few years ago, high school didn't immediately adopt that rule. I found that during the first couple games, there were players that attempted to kick off "backwards" but they quickly adapted to high school rules. I am sure that the same thing will happen this year.
If anything the confusion will be bigger in the Spring for many states. Here in NC, the girls will play club this fall with the new LOTG and then go back to the NFHS rules in the spring. But they'll figure it out pretty quickly.
I plan on interpreting handball identically in every game I do (age appropriately of course). Besides the edict on scoring goals with non deliberate handling, the new laws are a mere codification of existing interpretations I already am up to date with. And whether it’s NCAA, NFHS, or USSF, “soccer expects” a goal shouldn’t be scored with a hand.
The mechanical problem is that the NFHS rules committee meets at the end of January. IFAB meets in March. So when IFAB changes something, NFHS can not make the same change (IF they choose to do so in the first place) until the following year, 10 months later. And the IFAB changes go into effect June 1 (although some leagues/tournaments use a later date). The NFHS changes don't go into effect until the fall of that year. However, quite a few states play high school soccer in the winter or spring, so a change that NFHS made in January 2019 will not be implemented in those states until the spring of 2020. "It's Chinatown, Jake."
I think you'll need at least a little adjusting, though. At minimum, the clause about how even a completely accidental handball that creates an OGSO is now an offence... that should be new for everyone. Even if you've always allowed an accidental handball that directly results in a goal under the "soccer expects" philosophy, I don't know anyone who has done the same regarding the creation of an OGSO. The second goal for Philadelphia this weekend in MLS was actually a perfect example of a handball offence that no one should have been calling to date (and didn't get called on Saturday) but absolutely must be called next season in MLS and going forward for everyone else now. https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/m...ia-union-vs-chicago-fire/details/video/204334
Did we address this, yet? Attempting to score a goal with your hand has always been a yellow card offence. When players have been caught or called for that, they've been punished with a yellow card. But the idea of it being misconduct is that it was a form of cheating. Since we (theoretically) only punished deliberate handling, it made total sense. If you cheated to score a goal or try to score a goal, you got a yellow card. Easy enough. Now, however, accidental handling to score a goal is a punishable offence. Is it also misconduct, though? Per the Laws, I'm not sure if it's clear. The misconduct section says "handles the ball in an attempt to score a goal," as it has always said. It doesn't really speak to the concept of "accidental handling," which the other part of Law 12 now does. I think by a strict reading of the Laws, you can now have "(deliberate) attempted handling to score a goal," which is a yellow card and also "accidental handling to score a goal," which is not. If this distinction exists, it needs to be made clear pretty quickly--such as before the start of the European season. Because, with VAR, you just know there's going to be a situation where a goal gets ruled out due to accidental handling and the referee gives the yellow card, too. And once that precedent gets set, it won't be long until someone sees a 2CT red card simply because the ball hit them in the hand and bounced into the goal.
Good point .... but in 99.99% of games without VAR, are we now keeping an “accidental” handball “marked” in our brains for a few seconds to figure out what becomes of it? And if an OGSO comes of it, then we pull it back? In most cases, the call would come quick enough so an OGSO doesn’t even fully develop. That clause seems almost like a VAR-specific thing.
I’m making things up as we go, but I’d bet that any attacking handball in the penalty area that ensures or maintains possession is going to be an offence per new instruction. That will take the guesswork out of it. And when an OGSO is created further from goal, we can usually see it right away.
This is basically how I've had it explained to me for instructing it to referees: if it touches an arm and that leads to the goal scoring opportunity or goal, simply call the handling offense and do not caution if it was a deliberate action to handle the ball in an attempt to score (or deceive the referee), such as moving the hand/arm to the ball, etc., then it should be cautioned.
And I think that's a common sense approach. But this needs to be written down somewhere and socialized before the professional seasons start. Because scoring a goal with your hand is one of those things that "everyone knows" is a yellow card. Now that there's (apparently) nuance to it, it's going to make things really challenging... bordering on impossible if new standards aren't universally applied and/or VAR intervention leads to a dubious sanctioning of misconduct.
Well, if it's unsporting behavior for a GK to be an inch off the goal line on a FK, why can't it be unsporting behavior for a forward to accidentally handle the ball? I agree this is another example of lack of clarity, but it's not the only one in the new hand ball offense. As written, if an attacker accidentally handles the ball and a teammate kicks the ball into the net, it is not an offense.
The neymar one from the CL against Juventus is a perfect example. He heads the ball onto his arm and into the goal. Clearly not a goal with the new laws. In fact it's THE example used by IFAB in their presentation. I can't imagine cautioning him for it. That would be absurd.
Right. This is the main reason I asked. Common sense says we go the route @Bradley Smith says. And it's great if he's got authoritative instruction to that effect. But I've seen nothing yet. And while nature may abhor a vacuum, refereeing controversy tends to love it. Definitely. And this may be an example where common sense will apply for the vast majority of matches. If a referee on a DA match sees an accidental handball from Attacker X that makes the ball fall perfectly for Attacker Y and creates an OGSO, I don't think anyone is going to fault that referee for calling it. But what about in the VAR world where such a seemingly apparent violation gets missed? As written, like you say, this is not an offence. Can a VAR flag a "clearly wrong" decision even though it won't even be a technical violation of the text? It is truly amazing how the more the Lawmakers write, the more confusion they can generate.
Yet, given the history of the game, I bet a lot of people can't imagine him NOT getting a caution for it.