US women soccer players want equal pay to US men's team.

A US senator has introduced a bill that would prevent the use of federal funding for the 2026 men's World Cup until the US Soccer Federation agrees to equal pay for the women's and men's teamshttps://t.co/gMxQ79UTKK

— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) July 9, 2019

What funding for 2026?

 

Is there any rule preventing women playing for a men’s pro soccer team? The rules tend to run the other way in most sports. Anyone can try and compete in the men’s division, it’s the women’s divisions that have restrictions.

 

@superdave its not relevant to this group in what sense? If you're referring to their desire to get paid now, I agree-it isn't. The current group is clearly focused on getting theirs. I'm pointing out that, much like the decision to eschew MLS support a few years ago, it'll be good for this particular group but not for the longer term health of the women's game in the US.

It's like a mirror image of a lot of the complaints about the MNT and MLS and player development, actually come to think of it.

 

It was Hunt more than Kraft, and he's been dead for over a decade.

 

If European women’s soccer develops to the point the US are also rans in 2027, Megan Rapinoe won’t care. Alex Morgan will not care.

I think we agree.

 

I imagine that they don't because a judge would laugh them out of the court. The biggest reason is probably the fact that there are no rules regarding gender for these leagues.

There are zero rules against Women playing in Men's sporting activities. There were a couple of girls who played baseball in my local Little League every year. There are multiple female football players, often kickers, who played at the High School level. It happens at the lower levels, it's just not frequent, and by the time you get to the professional ranks, the probability of a female athlete reaching the pinnacle of male professional sport is infinitesimal.

Professional sports leagues don't need to make laws regarding the gender of players on the Men's side. It sorts itself out. Women's leagues do make rules requiring that their athletes are female, otherwise, they'd simply be dominated by men. So does the IOC, for the same reason.

Here's the local rules for Pleasanton Little League. The only mention of gender is the requirement that Male players must wear a cup. There are 2 girls in the team photos of the All-Star teams that the site has.

https://bsbproduction.s3.amazonaws.com/portals/28651/docs/2019 pll local rules.pdf

 

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Their home ground is the Olympique Lyonnais training center which holds 1,524.

However, the PSG games are played at Parc Olympique Lyonnais and they traditionally get a "big" crowd. 2 years ago it was 8,000. Maybe this session there was a WWC tie-in.

 

Women have competed professionally against men in motor racing, equestrian, golf, baseball and ice hockey.

I nearly added college football, before I realized it's not pro. There was a female kicker at one point.

 

At least four women have actually played in men's pro indoor soccer leagues in the US; two of them were USWNT regulars in the mid-1990s. All were attacking players who had minimal defensive responsibilities, and none played more than a few minutes a game.

I believe there was talk about Queretaro in Liga MX trying to sign a Mexican WNT player as a publicity stunt at one point, but it never went anywhere.

I think it's possible for women to be legitimately competitive in men's pro soccer, but they would have to be good enough to be "luxury players" in a classic #10 role with little or no defensive responsibility, much like Carlos Valderrama. The relatively small number of female players worldwide means the likelihood of any woman having such a high level of technique and tactical awareness that a men's professional team would make room for them in the lineup as a completely non-defending #10 is vanishingly small; they're rare enough in men's pro soccer as it is.

 

You're saying that Carlos Valderrama was a woman? Explains the wig!

 

It’s getting a little transphobic in here...

 

Yup. Our YNT results in recent U-20/U-17 World Cup have been dreadful. We didn't even qualify for the 2014 U-17 World Cup. This current generation has one more World Cup and two more Olympic runs in them. After that.......who knows. A lot is going to depend on the NWSL churning out players and the US coaching staff not excluding players who choose to play overseas.

 

I honestly don't even mind USSF continuing to subsidize the NWSL. But that should be in the form of covering a certain amount of each team's player salaries, rather than paying the salaries of USWNT players outright. If it's important to retain top American talent then USSF can make part of the money something like TAM in MLS, with the added stipulation that the money has to be spent on an American player.

 

Common sense isn't a virtue for the USWNT.

 

Forgive me, as I know as much about women’s soccer as the man in the moon, but what do you mean the contracts?

They have contracts that guarantee they get paid a yearly salary from the USSF?

I don’t really know how it all breaks down.

 

Yes. This is residue from before there was a women's professional league.
20 or so USWNTers are on contract from the USSF. Their NWSL salaries are essentially paid by the USSF.

All of this was agreed upon between the USSF and the women's players' union in the last round of CBA negotiations.

 

Actually, given that soccer has been a male thing there's afaik no rule in any FA that restricts teams to field only males because nobody thought about females ever being good enough. I could be wrong though.

 

This whole thing just seems like apples/oranges, in my opinion.

And my impression is that USWNT has drudged up political activism to push their product.

What I’ve gathered too is that the women actually receive a higher percentage than the men do. I believe someone said they earn 13% while men earn 7%. If that’s the case, then this should be a dead issue, unless the men say they should be paid at 13%.

This was the first ever WWC where I even knew it was going on, and I knew more about the player’s activism than they’re actual skill.

The times I have watched the women play; it has been as interesting as watching paint dry. It just doesn’t appeal to my entertainment interests. They’re not fast, strong, and they don’t have the same technical or skill level as the men. They’re certainly not equal there. Honestly, I believe the USL league one is more entertaining than the entire WWC I watched. So, if it came down to just me... I can tell you that I’m not paying full price for a women’s game. I’ve got other things I could be doing with my life. But, that’s me...

Nonetheless, nothing has been more off-putting than how loud and obnoxious this team has been. If I was interested, I surely am not going to be interested now. However, I know there are tons of people in America who love that kind of story so maybe that’s their fan base.

That said, It’s kind of sad though because I’m sure most of the women on the team are hardworking good people who just want to play the game they love and represent their country. I can’t blame them for wanting to get paid more... I just don’t like the few who have waved their finger in people’s faces, and like anything else, I’ll start to root against people like that.

It’s not what you speak, but how you speak. And throwing a temper tantrum is not a way to get me to move to do anything.

Simply, it seems like the easiest thing to do is just split the men’s and women’s and say you get paid whatever you earn.

 

From the posts I get the impression the pay dispute is complicated by different systems of pay for male and female, the mixing of club and NT payments and different pay security modes/ hire for a match-contract for a space of time.
To get a real perspective in any pay difference for NT duties the USWNT pay has to be decomposed into what of the pay is to be accounted for in relation to the matches.
Also has to be taken into account what sponsors bring in towards the USMNT and what towards the USWNT.
Higher attractiveness for sponsors results in higher payment.
If the males attract more than it's simple capitalism they get more.

 

The cream of European women like Lieke Martens, Hegerberg earn from around 200,000€€ to 400,000€€. Brasilian Marta is said to be paid in Europe around 340,000€€.
That's club pay, so they also have personal sponsor deals going with that.
How does that compare with what a star woman player receives in the States?

 

They faced the classic dilemma...security versus money. They chose security. Wait, that's not really accurate...they negotiated and the end result was security over money.

Now they want the money too. I can see an argument that there's gender discrimination in the amount of money they gave up in exchange for security. (IANAL.) But to get the security the men don't have AND the money the men get is unequal treatment in their favor.

To come back to a point I've made a dozen times, fair's got nothin' to do with it. It's about power. There's nothing fair about the world's greatest basketball player making much more money than the world's greatest hockey player. It's about power. If they can manage to pull it off, that's capitalism.

I find the ignorant, half informed, fully spun takes in the news, in politics, and in sports journalism annoying AF, but in the end that has little effect...at least until Manchin chimes in with a stupid bill which might pass because, let's face it, Democrats will be all in on the virtue signaling, and the GOPs will be all in on the anti-soccer, anti-government spending, anti-World Cup-ness of it.

Again, IANAL, but I'm pretty sure it's more complicated than that. A lot more complicated. Look at the budgets of men's college BB vs, women's college BB, and then compare them for a non-profitable sport; to pick one at random, women's vs. men's soccer.

How many SEC schools have a men's team? How many have a women's team?

Yet all that is legal.

It's not a straight math question, legally.

I'll bet you're right if you're talking about their character when they were all 20 years old. Now? I wouldn't be so sure. Entitlement turns many people into assholes. I'll bet many of the players have turned asshole over the years of entitlement. Hope Solo sure did, to pick one example. Carli Lloyd deciding playing for the Dash would happen on her whims is assholish.

Exactly. It is very, very much and apples to oranges comparison. Us obsessive compulsives get that, but we make up about .1% of the people with opinions on this. 99.9% of those with opinions range from woefully uninformed to aggressively clueless.

 

https://equalizersoccer.com/2019/03...rs-nwsl-list-contracts-womens-world-cup-year/

Here's more info

 

"If anything the men should be paid less" - Gov. Cuomo