2019 Women's World Cup

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by firefan2001, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's true that it's often the expectation, but one of the main selling points for the United 2026 bid was that they weren't going to build any stadiums.
     
  2. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Also, the expectation exists because it is proven that the typical World Cup match will fill just about any size stadium - within reason - but it is far from proven that the typical Women's World Cup match will fill a similar-sized stadium. In fact, what we currently know empirically based on this tournament and others, is that a few WWC matches will fill a large stadium (say, 60,000), but the vast majority will fill stadiums that already exist at lower capacities (in this tournament in particular, 20,000-ish).

    Obviously, this also depends heavily on the host of the tournament, and much more for the WWC than for the WC.

    Incidentally, I would venture to guess that 1999-levels of attendance would not necessarily happen here again due to lack of novelty, though the non-US games would have a higher attendance than similar matchups back then.
     
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  3. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Building stadiums is also a great opportunity for graft, which I think is the real reason for it.
     
  4. Gingawhitous

    Gingawhitous Member

    Apr 13, 2016
    Iowa
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States






    If you add up the expected goal totals for the knockout games, the total comes up as 2.6 for both the US and its 3 opponents.
     
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  5. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And of course there used to be Sepp's ego, which demanded that SA build him a palace which they didnt want or need so that he could have a private suite, a private entrance with private elevator and an Afeican themed private bathroom complete with lion and elephant decor which the Africans found offensive.
     
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  6. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    the fact that there are a lot of spineless politicians that wouldn't say no to that thing is staggering.

    If SA refused to that tdemand what would they do?, remove the world cup from SA?.. yeah right.

    Edit: thousands have died in qatar, the tournament will be moved to November and FIFA wouldn't dare to cancel that world cup even 4-5 years in advance.
     
  7. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Even though they have NOT ANNOUNCED where the next Women's World Cup will be and will not do so until next year, giving them a tidy three years to prepare.
     
  8. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    The Women's World Cup in 1999 had an average attendance of 37,319 in the US. The next one in 2003 was also in the US (moved from China) and had an average attendance of 20,525. Skip to 2019 in France where the average attendance is currently 20,503 and will only go up a little bit from the last semi and the final.

    Is the growth of the women's game worldwide overstated (aka #fakeNews)?
     
  9. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
  10. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The US World Cups in 1999 and 2003 were almost entirely doubleheaders--for each there were 17 ticketed events for a 32-game tournament, and the less-attractive matches could be paired with another game that was a bigger draw. This tournament is now 52 games with each game standing on its own. It is doing fine. Also for worldwide growth look at the TV numbers.
     
  11. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    1,194,215 total in 1999
    1,004,644 so far in France so it should probably end up around even.

    I wonder how a Women's World Cup would do in the USA in 2023.
     
  12. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The 1994 men's World Cup had an average attendance of 69,174 per match. The 2018 men's World Cup had an average attendance of 47,371.

    Is the growth of the men's game worldwide overstated?

    :rolleyes:
     
  13. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Is anyone talking about the growth of the men's game?
     
  14. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like ThreeApples mentioned in 1999 World Cup all but the semi-final games were doubleheader games. So that number would be much smaller if they all were stand alone games (one example 34,256 for a doubleheader games in Chicago for Norway/Japan & Ghana/Sweden, very unlikely that either one of those games would get that for a stand alone game, but still that was a GREAT crowd for that doubleheader games), but that said I believe US would do as good or better than what France is doing this year.

    and Women's World Cup has gotten better (quality and competitive wise) since 1999 also, so that would help getting better crowds. Plenty of MLS SSS that could be used for some of the smaller attended games.
     
  15. soccermilitant

    soccermilitant Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    St.paul
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    hows the woke cup going?
     
  16. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Please leave the trolling to the professionals. Get a role model.
     
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  17. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No country (besides USA) is going to break that average ever, Brazil got the closes with a 53,592. Oh even with 12 less games 1994 World Cup (USA) outdrew 2014 World Cup (Brazil) by 157,665.
     
  18. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    I think most of that was capacity-limited, no?
     
  19. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    I don't think even USA can break it. Many stadiums are smaller these days.
     
  20. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    A goal still has not happened.
     
  21. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Who cares? If the demand was there for the men's game, they would have built bigger stadiums.

    (I'm not making a serious point, just drawing attention to how dumb his comment was. The #fakenews bit just sealed it)
     
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  22. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The 2026 Committee says, "Challenge Accepted"... :)
     
  23. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not necessary:

    1994 capacities
    94,194 (Rose Bowl)
    84,147 (Stanford Stadium)
    77,557 (Pontiac Silverdome)
    76,322 (Giants Stadium)
    63,999 (Cotton Bowl)
    63,160 (Solder Field)
    62,387 (Citrus Bowl)
    54,456 (Foxboro Stadium)
    53,121 (RFK Stadium)
    69,927 (Average)


    2019 capacities of possible stadiums

    There are 8 stadium's with 100k+ capacity
    There are 4 stadium's with 90k+ capacity
    There are 11 stadium's with 80k+ capacity
    There are 17 stadium's with 70k+ capacity

    Yes, some of those probably couldn't/wouldn't be used, but we could here in the USA get a better average than 1994.
     
  24. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Yeah, the hashtag was dumb, but I don't think it's out of bounds to consider that perhaps the growth is a bit overstated. Clearly there is growth in TV viewership for concerned participants. Not sure about on-site/gate though. How much does it matter? Well, I guess that's the discussion.
     
  25. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Average Capacity of Stadiums currently in the 2026 plan (or at least bidding for matches)

    Canada (3 stadiums): 52,413
    Mexico (3 stadiums): 63,018
    USA (17 stadiums - not all of which will be selected, of course): 74,124
     

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