The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's only a problem if the regulator makes anti-competitive decisions, and unless you're a conspiracy theorist there's no real evidence of that.

    And nothing is going to change until next year when negotiations begin on a new TV contract, which I expect to be a lucrative one with the build-up to the World Cup in mind and a bidding war for streaming rights.

    Maybe Silva will put a check on the table for $6 billion.
     
  2. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Question:

    Would it be any different if say Rocco Commisso's or Riccardo Silva's media/marketing company had the TV rights?
     
  3. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Maybe the USSF will do the right thing and break its ties with a league it regulates. Let's say I'm not holding my breath that that will happen, but it will be progress if it does.
     
  4. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I don't think the USSF should have a financial relationship with any league it regulates.
     
  5. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fox already has the broadcast rights for the 2026 World Cup.
    https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/world-cup-coming-to-americas-in-2026

    Silva also doesn't have $6 Billion to right a check.

    The TV contracts are negotiated by SUM. The USSF being a client with SUM is determined by the BOD.
     
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  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does the USSF really regulate the leagues though? The leagues help to create the Pro League Standards, and then the USSF just grants or doesn't grant a stamp of approval. The USSF has NO say in how a league runs itself.

    The Fed simply takes a yes or no stance: does the league meet the PLS? Yes? Coll, you're sanctioned. No? No sanctioning for your league.
     
  7. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Who receives the $400m that that article says Fox is paying? And how does that equate to this comment:

    "FIFA, world soccer's governing organization, awarded the 2026 event to the current U.S. rights holders without accepting other bids."
     
  8. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Remind me who is responsible for those standards?
     
  9. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That wasn't in response to you. I was merely pointing out to @Paul Berry that those TV rights have already been awarded.
     
  10. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    That's fine. It won't help them.
    Sure, but the other side of that coin is that soccer has the fewest opportunities to advertise on. That said, for the last month I've had the opportunity to watch a lot of soccer on Colombian TV and they have pretty novel ways of sticking 5 second ads during throw-ins, substitutions, and goal kicks, etc.
    I bet the NFL or NBA could sit at the broadcast negotiation table and say any damn thing they like and get it. I guarantee that Fox or Disney isn't going to say "wait, we might lose the Jets? For a whole season or two? HOLD EVERYTHING, THIS DEAL IS OFF". But it's fine, really, because the NFL could counter with "what if we told you that the Jets (or Mets or Knicks) might be replaced with an actually good NYC team?".
     
  11. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Ok, but as a point of interest what is the relationship between FIFA's awarding of these rights and SUM/USSF, if any?
     
  12. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really!?! Et Tu M? I mean YOUR MO has been to argue a point until people bring up credible evidence to rebut then you either ignore it or to belittle the people who rebutted you. I'm not denigrating posters just you and occasionally Ruff.
     
  13. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I.e. the two posters who you consistently disagree with. Got it.

    What's your view on the SUM/USSF deal?
     
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  14. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, I'm sorry....you've seemed to have forgotten that the NASL, USL, and MLS were part of the process to create the current professional league standards. Each of the leagues also AGREED to the standards.
     
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  15. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    You didn't answer my question... who is responsible for the league standards?

    I will also point out those standards are written for the needs of closed leagues only...
     
  16. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    They do grant waivers, though. And that's not entirely objective.
     
  17. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry to break it to you but I also disagree with Expansion and some of the other posters but he's trying to bring facts and thoughtful ideas so he doesn't receive a similar treatment.
     
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  18. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They do and it got them sued by a league that couldn't get it shit together. I'm curious going forward how lenient they'll be.
     
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That every 50(?) pages in this thread we have this same discussion, then it dies down for a while, and then it starts up again. Nobody changes their mind and round and round it goes.
     
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  20. Expansion Franchise

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Now this I agree with, even though a couple hundred pages ago I think I was on the other side of the argument.
     
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  21. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The leagues are responsible for meeting or exceeding the league standards that they have helped create and agreed to.
    Why does this even matter?
    They are written for professional leagues, period. Open, closed, CalvinBall rules, etc doesn't matter. It's the same thing.

    https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/

    http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?page_id=5449
     
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  22. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We've had several pro/rel advocates over the years who argued in good faith and without rancor, and none of them complained about their treatment.
     
  23. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm here for the mostly adult conversation about a sport I love here in the United States, my ire gets raised when semi trolls who have no idea of the sports place here and don't even live here start to spouting BS like they're some sort of expert because they live in a land where the sport is king and doesn't have the same challenges to relevancy that we face here.
     
  24. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I see you ignored what I asked you. That tells me something about your willingness to debate in good faith.
     
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  25. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Oh so we're now back to the "don't even live here" canard. You're a troll.
     
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