2018-19 Development Academy

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by TheFalseNine, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Do those clubs get some type of compensation?
     
  2. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    LAFC vs. TFC:

    Luis Lima ('04): I thought he had a good game, but not as good as the last game I saw. His decision-making was a little slow in this game, but he still was effective, and able to pull the strings in CM.

    Antonio Leone ('04): He had a very good game. He was excellent in the air, at times out jumping the TFC goalkeeper. He's physically dominant against players his own age, so I'd like to see how he'd play against an age group older than his, but LAFC doesn't have a U-17 team, so that won't be happening at LAFC.
     
  3. Lookingforleftbacks

    Galaxy
    United States
    Dec 17, 2016
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. bpet15

    bpet15 Member+

    Oct 4, 2016
    A couple of things -

    1. I need to eat a little bit of crow about Solar. At the middle part of the season I said I didn’t think they were real contenders and now they are in the last four. Good on them.
    2. I am confident on my scouting of Carrera. His positioning and decision making played a role (arguably) in all 3 Solar goals. His physical traits may earn him a career, but there is so much improvement needed on his positioning.
     
  5. HoustonUnited

    HoustonUnited Member

    Jul 27, 2009
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    DC United
    No...and in my opinion, they dont really deserve it. Most non-MLS academies are pay to play academies...and are extremely expensive.

    Most MLS academies are free ( aside from DC United and Minnesota). The teams look at it as an investment. If the players eventually make it to the first team, they become inexpensive roster additions. If they excel (like Tyler Adams) the teams get paid off for their investment, and can use that sale to continue to pay for their academy.

    The non-MLS academies are not investing in these players...they are getting compensated by the players in annual team dues, and they also dont have a professional team that the kids can move up to...

    To me...that's not an investment. The players are compensating the non-MLS DA's for a service...so the clubs are being compensated already
     
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  6. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
    Any TFC players catch your eye?
     
  7. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
     
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  8. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Leone has gotta be the next '04 to get a homegrown contract. He's not too young for it right now. He's 3 months older than Slonina was and only about a month younger than Scally, Busio, and Cowell were when they signed theirs.
     
  9. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thoughts on Presto? Kid puts up numbers.
     
  10. Lookingforleftbacks

    Galaxy
    United States
    Dec 17, 2016
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was okay today. Both goals were kind of circumstance more than anything. But all I have to go by is today, so I guess take that with a grain of salt.
     
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  11. Luksarus

    Luksarus Member

    United States
    Jul 27, 2018
    Kevin Jimenez '04 was important for the creation of the 2 goals. I think he was playing as RW. he is a good athlete

    Christian Torres '04 did not have a great game, but I think he's a good # 9. He should have more consideration in the '04 group, since there are not that many players.
     
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  12. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yup. Nice result for Solar.

    I thought the FCD kids did well under the circumstances of being down to 10 men for most of regulation and overtime. I didn't actually see the Seth Wilson red card, so have no idea what happened really.

    Solar has everything they need in order to go and win the title now!

    By the way, it seems that some U19s left the playoffs to go play in the NTSC game last night. That tells us about the pecking order there....................the meaningless NTSC game was more important than the U19DA championships. Bonilla, Tessman, Almaguer, and Gomez all with NTSC.

    I wonder if FCD is going to have some of these U17s play up with the U19s for their next match? Is that possible?
     
  13. Runhard

    Runhard Member+

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018
    Not sure if there is a rule against bringing the U17s up after they were knocked out but I don't think so.

    The U19's were done with the USSF DA so they were already back in Frisco. Their next stage of the USSF playoffs I think is in July. I expect them to have all those guys at the USSF playoffs as they were in San Diego for the four previous DA games.

    If you look at the NTSC roster for the game that conflicted with the DA playoffs, FCD had all their DA kids at the playoffs. Hence the need for player/coach Michel to take the field at 38 years old. I think FCD takes it very serious and would love to win a DA title.
     
  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I think almost every club takes it really seriously :)
    They could have taken it more seriously be having Pepi, Sealy, and others play for the
    Yup. I didn't know the DA semi and final were held separately. Or I'd forgotten anyway. It'll be interesting to see who they pick, because they could field one hell of an "all-star" team of combined U19/U17 players. They could even add a Sealy, Pepi, Roberts, Reynolds, and company to make one killer squad. Probably won't, though.

     
  15. Luksarus

    Luksarus Member

    United States
    Jul 27, 2018
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  16. Lookingforleftbacks

    Galaxy
    United States
    Dec 17, 2016
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    While the U19DA team was qualifying for the semifinals of the DA playoffs, FCD's "other" U19 team qualified for the USYS national championships as champions of the Southern Region. [They beat a team from Solar Saywer in the semfinal :)] There are players in this team that would be in the DA team at most other clubs. Many of these players go on to NCAA ball. The keeper, Andres Quevedo, is headed to Syracuse for instance.
     
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  18. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For awhile now I've been able to tell that your posts belong to you just by reading them, even if it had nothing to do with Dallas. I couldn't place why. Now I can.

    I just realized that "By the way" is your quintessential quote. You have used it in 766 different posts.

    I had to get that off my chest.
     
  19. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I wasn't impressed by Solar. They won 3-2 against a team that played 90 minutes with 10 men, and they didn't outplay Dallas either. That game could've been won by either team. I thought Solar's only good prospect was the keeper Chris Edwards ('02). He doesn't look the most athletic, but made some very nice saves that showed good athleticism, and had command of his area.

    I wouldn't blame Carrera on the second or third goal. Carrera's positioning wasn't great on the second goal, but I don't think he could've done much about it. That was more on Che. The third goal was completely the keeper's fault, and I don't think Carrera did much wrong on that goal.

    I agree that he's not a high-level prospect, which is why I don't think it's as big of an issue as some think that he was called in by Mexico. Carrera has the same problems in every game. His positioning is bad multiple times a game when defending, but I find his biggest problem to be when he carries the ball forward or tries to run into midfield to win the ball high up the field. He sometimes will make a good play to win his team possession or clear the ball, but he doesn't have the speed to recover back 30-40 yards. If that ball goes quickly the other way, Dallas is defending with one less at the back due to Carrera's lack of speed.

    This happens multiple times a game, and at higher levels, those mistakes will be in the back of the net. If he can stop playing this style and learn some better positioning, he would be a better player. He doesn't have the style of play for how he wants to play due to his lack of speed. I find that Gomez also has this problem at times with being caught too high up the field. Gomez recovers much better than Carrera and is tasked with a much more offensive role (he's also a much better prospect than Carrera), but as good as FCD is at keeping possession, they are going to lose it. You can't have Gomez playing as a second left winger. I think it may be within the team's tactics, so in Carrera's case, it may not be something Carrera should be blamed for.
     
  20. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Mbongue looked like the best player. Marshall-Ruddy also wasn't bad. I wasn't watching the game very closely. I was only keeping track mainly of the touches of 2-3 players on LAFC, so I might be wrong about who played well for TFC.
     
  21. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    #1146 ussoccer97531, Jun 27, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2019
    He was one of the players the first few games I saw of this team I tried to watch his touches closely because of his goal numbers. I stopped watching his touches afterwards. He doesn't add much, except for goals. Good finisher, good anticipation, not much talent. I don't view him as a YNT level prospect.

    I think Jimenez needs to improve his match fitness. He's a better athlete than he looks, but he could still improve his fitness. Torres isn't bad, Yantz (LB) isn't bad. Both those players could play some role in the YNT pool because they play positions without much depth.

    The keeper Palomares is good for this level. He's in the Mexican YNT pool, but I find it hard to assess an undersized keeper at this level. He's good, but how can you assess his game without knowing about future physical development? 'm not going to try to make estimates about how much he'll grow.

    I think the three main players in the LAFC team are Leone, Lima and Duenas (didn't play in this game).
     
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  22. Soccerfan12435

    Apr 22, 2019
    United States
    Can someone who knows more than me break down the four teams in the U-19 Semifinals. I don't know too much about them and wanted to know if someone could elaborate on their strengths and weaknesses, players to watch and so on.
     
  23. bpet15

    bpet15 Member+

    Oct 4, 2016
    Agree with what you have said.

    As for the Solar goals - the second goal was off a header from a guy who snuck in off his shoulder. Can’t completely blame him.

    I also noticed that he was way up the field when Wilson received the red card. The stream was messed up, so I couldn’t tell if he was the player that was called for the foul that led to the quick free kick. Either way - he was 40 yards ahead of the back line.

    On the third goal, he decided to take up a position on the goal line upon the first shot being taken. One could argue the kid who scored would have been offsides had he not dropped to the goal line. These are all debatable, but just the way I saw it.

    No matter what, he’s got to fix his positioning. He’s played like this all year and for the life of me, I can’t understand why the staff hasn’t addressed this with him. I think the lopsided results they have make it more difficult to see the negatives. Hard to point out areas of improvement if you are constantly winning matches by 4/5 goals.
     
  24. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    I thought it was “yup.”;)
     
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  25. Runhard

    Runhard Member+

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018
    Not sure the US scouts watching the games agree on that view of Solar. Heard 2 to 3 of those kids may be getting calls to the US U17 camp coming up prior to the World Cup based upon their play at the DA playoffs. Amazing what a good tournament can do for a kid if the right eyes are watching.
     
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