2019 WWC Referee Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by lil_one, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. jasonakramer

    jasonakramer Member

    Apr 27, 2016
    YUUUP
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seriously? It’s the person that does the coin toss. And/or the one wearing the armband.
     
  3. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Link?
     
  4. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    And here we go.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  6. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How are the commentators confused? I could see it was offside before the VAR lines even were shown.
     
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  7. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    The question was about the definition in the LOTG, not just what everybody knows, since there was a suggestion to card the captain. Who is that?
     
  8. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just turned on the TV and have no idea what came before; but based on that goal that just got ruled offside, I think Cameron should walk off the pitch.
     
  9. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What are you talking about? It was clearly offside.
     
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  10. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two things on VAR.

    First, everyone wanted it. Everyone. And now they’ve got it and we’ve got teams and announcers having issues with decisions via VAR. Nothing was solved. It’s perhaps been made worse.

    Relative to that point, we shouldn’t gloss over how bad the missed red card in the fourth minute was. You can think of it as a lucky break. But in the global sense, every time a red like that is ignited via VAR, it makes it harder and harder when one is properly given. If VARs aren’t saying that’s a clear red, then what happens when one finally does? And how do refs justify giving it in real-time. The VAR world could create and sanction more violence.
     
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  12. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just rewound and watched it a fourth time. There was a player in an offside position that was no way involved in the play. The player that received the pass was on side. Every single commentator on two different channels agrees that VAR blew it.
     
  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I refuse to believe you’re serious so I’m going to stop now. No one can be this obtuse.
     
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  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The lines literally showed the player was offside.
     
  15. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The replay at 49:12 shows you the lines. The trailing foot of the Cameroon player is offside.
     
  16. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    She was offside.

    Her lead foot was further downfield than the defender’s body. She was offside.
     
  17. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm bewildered about the confusion on this. It's not even really close from a VAR perspective. We've seen the ones where the drawn lines are literally an inch apart. This wasn't the case.
     
  18. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    CR pulled the captain aside (the one with the armband). Told her to restart and she went back to meeting with players. Clear DTR.
     
  19. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah yes, the commentators are never wrong :rolleyes:

    If one foot is offside, you're offside. One foot was offside. It was close, but it was clear.
     
  20. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To paraphrase the Fox Sports commentator, " where are they getting those lines? Does she have a 2-foot left big toe?"

    She was standing physically adjacent to an England player that you can clearly see she was not that far in front of. We do still have eyes, right?
     
  21. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're three years into VAR and this is still an issue? Her entire foot was offside. It was a pretty easy call for the VAR.
     
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  22. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean like VAR never is? Wow.
     
  23. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry, how far in front of the defender do you think someone has to be to be offisde?
     
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  24. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    As could have been predicted by anyone who ever sat through a referee association meeting where they discussed videos of fouls.
     
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  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My God. I’ve expressed some doubt about camera frame speed and the moment of the ball being played, but this wasn’t—relatively speaking—close at all. They have 3D rendering to get this right. You have your eyes.

    I’m going with them.

    VAR. Solving everything and eliminating controversy. Since never.
     
  26. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    I am as serious as a suggestion that the referee should caution a player without being able to name who that player is.
     
  27. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So you agree with me now that the lines were wrong? Good.

    The answer to your question is "any". In the absence of the incorrect lines, I look at the screen and I don't see her clearly offside.
     

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