Neverending Story 3: The Ongoing Brexit Thread

Sounds good!! Sounds like someone we all know and revere who said, "there go my people...right where I ordered them to and I'm leading them."

HAIL GRIMES!!!

 

Several types of Tory MPs backing Johnson:

ERG nutters who are blinded by wanting to leave and think he is the best bet.

People who realise he's untrustworthy and are banking on him turning on the ERG when he realises Brexit will ruin him.

People seeing he's ahead and wanting a cabinet job.

People who believe the party is screwed whoever is in charge, so think they might as well use this as an opportunity to get rid of Johnson's ambitions at the same time.

The outright stupid.

 

I'm not quite as negative. The chance of no deal has increased, but more down to Johnson's incompetency rather than policies. He's doing his usual, of promising everything to everyone and will revert to self preservation once the reality becomes clear. Parliament and, just as importantly, the Speaker will not allow us to sleepwalk out. I would be more concerned if an idealogue like Raab was the front runner.

 

The Tories would definitely want an election after Brexit, but there are enough who would take an early one to prevent no deL. That group almost certainly includes the Chancellor and the Deputy PM, so it's not just fringe back benchers.
Corbyn is being gradually shifted. He's now got McDonnell and Abbott openly pushing for a referendum. It's just a question of whether it's too late now.
Also worth noting that the language coming from Johnson's camp is already softening around October 31st. You've got senior Tories who back him now saying they "believe" he will leave regardless, not that he will. Don't forget, Johnson's biggest strength is conning people.

 

He's likely promised the position of Chancellor to 8 different people.

 

3 years ago, Stewart's current position was Hard Brexit. They have been incredibly successful at shifting the narrative.

 

If you're dealing with people that want to be conned, con them.
When they've been presented with the facts and still want to be delusional, then there's no reason for mercy and use them for your own agenda.

 

I think it's the default position. A50 has been declared, and the only thing mps can decide over is 'something else than a no deal=aka WTO standard.

 

It's gonna be either Boris or Gove, ain't it.

That's a yikes from me.

 

Well, it's only a problem for the UK, isnot it? They're the ones fvcked up.

 

No, that is categorically NOT true...


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/02/07/world/europe/brexit-impact-on-european-union.html

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...t-would-harm-all-european-countries-warns-imf

TBH this is why all this seems rather 'other-worldly' to people that understand international trade.

One can only hope that Johnson is as chicken as he seems and is scared shitless by his civil servants when/if he gets in office. At that point, as jitty and the others have said, there's a possibility that he'll fall apart like a piece of cheap self-assembly furniture and the adults can steer him in the right direction.

But, I have to say, I'm not entirely hopeful

 

Aren't they all the reasons it's now more likely there'll be another referendum? Neither of the 2 main parliamentary parties will want a GE and another run at a 2nd vote is simply the 'safer' option.

 

Max Hastings not holding back on Johnson.

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“I’m not sure he’s capable of caring for any human being other than himself,” says his editor for 10 years, Max Hastings, of Boris Johnson on @BBCPM

— Jonathan Freedland (@Freedland) June 20, 2019

 

Does this mean the Brits wouldn't be able to act horrified about the US electing Trump?