2019 WWC Referee Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by lil_one, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    When did they change VAR for the men? I don’t remember a change. What I remember was that FIFA put out a statement that VAR was “ 99.3% accurate”.

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer...accuracy-to-99-3-percent-20180630-p4zoqc.html
     
  2. Justin Z

    Justin Z Member

    Jul 12, 2005
    Edinburgh, Scotland
    Club:
    Heart of Midlothian FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here is video, and you can hear the whistle to restart play comes just as the director cuts to a shot of the crowd. The shot of the crowd takes a couple of seconds, it cuts back to the sideline and you can see the substitute still not on the field of play. Finally, just as she enters, the free kick is taken in the background.

     
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  3. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    VAR will not be consulted regarding the position of goalkeepers at penalties in the Premier League, according to reports.

    Instead, The Professional Games Match Officals Limited (PGMOL), which manages referees in the Premier League, has decided the VAR will only be called upon to decide if a player double-hits the ball, if the taker feigns to kick, or if there is encroachment that affects the outcome of the penalty.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...er-League-goalkeepers-position-penalties.html

    Sensible decision.
     
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  4. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    that's interesting. So, these VAR procedures aren't codified in the Laws? Seems like this sort of thing should be standardized everywhere. If one (or two since Wales has PL teams) of the small countries that run IFAB is doing this it seems weird that it's not in place for everyone.
     
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  5. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Looking up IFAB, I think the question for the EPL will be the definition of "may":

    http://www.theifab.com/laws/chapter/5

    "The referee **may** receive assistance from the VAR only in relation to four categories of match-changing decisions/incidents ... (including) ... offence by goalkeeper and/or kicker at the taking of a penalty kick or encroachment by an attacker or defender who becomes directly involved in play if the penalty kick rebounds from the goalpost, crossbar or goalkeeper."
     
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  6. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Given the use of the word **may** VAR doesn’t have to tell the referee anything. I think I like things better that way.
     
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  7. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Ask any 14 year old boy at the movies. It's very easy to confuse the two. ;)
     
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  8. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    #808 Cliveworshipper, Jun 20, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2019

    I don’t see where IFAB says that if you use VAR ( “May”), you get to choose which items on the list to use.
     
  9. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Sure looks like that shouldn't be a penalty.

    And it isn't!
     
  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #810 JasonMa, Jun 20, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2019
    That's horrible. On top of the lack of stoppage time as well. Really poor performance by the official (and that's setting aside the VAR debacle that was handled correctly by the rules but is a stupid rule).
     
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is the type of unacceptable error that would get a referee sent home at the men’s WC. Irmatov even finally found that out. On the women’s side, we will see if FIFA has that luxury.
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m still confused by what I just saw. Was there a clear foul (3 yards) outside the area to justify it becoming a DFK?
     
  13. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nope. I think VAR bailed her out and let her save a little face. Clearly there was nothing in the PA. I think there was the slightest of contact outside, but it was more just random contact. Trifling at best. So she saved some face by calling that to make it look like it was just a case of where the foul was.
     
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  14. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    And another delayed OS flag that goes up after the ball goes in the net. It was not close.
     
  15. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Agreed, not sure there was a foul at all. Not a good start for this CR.
     
  16. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    With two games simultaneous, helpful to mention which game on comments.
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That wouldn’t be the VAR, though. At least not necessarily. The VAR is saying that it’s clearly not a penalty. If it was an objective decision where he felt a clear foul was outside the area, he would just tell her that.

    At the FIFA level, to get an OFR that results in a penalty turning into a DFK, the most likely scenario is that the VAR said “this isn’t a penalty, come look” and then the referee says “you’re right, but now I see a foul just outside the area.”
     
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Canada v Netherlands penalty in the first minute is what most comments are referring to so far.
     
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  19. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Can:Ned
    37’
    Excellent advantage (thou it didn’t pan out) followed by CT at the stoppage.
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    38’ was bad. Ref put her whistle to mouth like 3 times in 5 seconds, thinking about calling an obvious foul and giving a dangerous DFK. But the “possession must be advantage” thought took over. Never called it, no advantage ever materialized, and then she cautioned the guilty player. No one seemed happy with the result.
     
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  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What advantage?! Netherlands would have had a DFK straight on from 23 yards out. Instead they kicked the ball around about 30-35 yards out and nothing happened.
     
  22. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I think she was too close to the play and wasn't certain about the foul. Then the ball was behind her and she could not see the it or the attackers and their distance to it. By then she was committed to the play and just let it go. I wionder if she ended getting help on the card itself.
     
  23. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    That’s how it turned out. But the ball went to the Netherlands just outside the PA with momentum. It’s not the CR’s fault they played it backwards. Sometime we get unlucky with advantage.

    Advantage with follow up caution takes thought and concentration. Just looking for some good moments in this Cup. It hasn’t been easy.
     
  24. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    She looked like a deer in headlights on that decision. Call the foul? Signal advantage? Or option C, do nothing and then give a card that no one is entirely clear what for.

    EDIT: To be clear, I think that was a pretty poor tackle, caution-worthy. But because of the weirdness before, I'm not sure the card accomplished anything.
     
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  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The moment they started recycling that ball she should have realized there was no advantage. If there’s an immediate shot on the open goal, sure—but that’s not what happened. The attacker was begging for the free kick and her teammates started moving the ball backward. This wasn’t close and was definitely not a good moment.
     

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