Argentina : Copa America 2019 discussion

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by Rattlehead, Jun 5, 2019.

  1. Milwaukee Joe

    Milwaukee Joe Member

    Jun 23, 2018
    #301 Milwaukee Joe, Jun 19, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2019
    Pereyra isn't international class. He should be nowhere near a team of Argentina's pedigree. Unfortunately our expectations have fallen so much we regularly see far worse players than Pereyra representing us. He's an average player. He cannot consistently maintain a high level of performance. It is beyond him.

    The team for tonight is better than the one on Saturday, obviously, but it's still deeply flawed. Forget the players a moment, the formation is all wrong. It's a 442, with Pereyra and De Paul on the flanks. That leaves our two central midfielders horribly exposed. Paredes and Lo Celso are good technical players with different qualities, I'm happy to see them both play, but they need to play in a 3, otherwise, against a good side, they will be overrun. If you're overrun in midfield you lose the game, more often than not.

    Casco is just another bang average player. I welcome the fact Scaloni has dropped the four players he has, but really we should have better replacements than Pereyra and Casco, and we should be playing 433, or 4231.

    I think Lanzini would be a better option than Pereyra on the right hand side. I have no idea how Meza is doing. Does anyone know?

    Against Paraguay we may get away with it and this will probably convince Scaloni to persist with it, but 2 players in central midfield is asking for trouble. Ideally you'd have another more powerful, more athletic and aggressive player in there with them, but somebody with a lot more quality than Pizarro or Rodriguez.

    It's basically the same formation as Saturday, and it didn't work then, and we were unable to keep the ball, except for a brief period. 3 players in the middle of the park also helps you in terms of possession.

    Palacios was a big loss but whether he would have played is another matter.
     
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  2. ShortyMac

    ShortyMac Member+

    Barcelona
    Apr 10, 2011
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Damn, Colombia gets a late goal vs Qatar. 1-0. Zapata again, James assist.
     
  3. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    lol RG on cue to trash our team. You can be sure he celebrated both of Colombia's goals.

    Notice how he doesn't criticize Armani and defends Higuaín.

    Di Maria only being good in 5% of matches? What a joke..he's been our 2nd or 3rd best player during the past 10 years. I put Mesi as first and maybe Mascherano at 2nd. Those past 10 years gave us no trophies but it was hardly our worst given we got to 3 finals and has our best qualifying campaign ever (during which Di María was fantastic).

    Gaucho, did you ever consider that it's hard to win one of these? Why do you think we are entitled to it?
     
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  4. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    Messi and Agüero has always been a flop. I hate this cutsey friendship thing.
     
  5. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    Agüero and Messi has always been bad not just for defensive reasons. Di Maria, Higuain, Messi worked well. I'm happy to see Lautaro even though he's no Agüero on an individual level..
     
  6. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    Please don't start experimenting with players out of position in big matches. We always get tempted to do this.
     
  7. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    More stupidity. Some of those trainers had good records and were worthy picks. After the fact you come in and criticize everyone except for River players and trainers. Never do you present a concrete alternative.

    Maradona was the worst cause we had the very best personnel that year...the Inter core, Messi at his peak, Masch at his peak, etc
     
  8. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    Unfortunately Pereyra and Casco *are* about the best we have for those positions. Pedigree doesn't mean we are entitled to great players; we have to actually produce them which we do not anymore(especially defensive ones).
     
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  9. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I dont have high expectation but hopefully there will be at least some improvement and goals.
     
  10. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I suspect Paraguay is going to sit back and counter us.
     
  11. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I'm not body language expert but they look somewhat nervous.:ninja:
     
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  12. ShortyMac

    ShortyMac Member+

    Barcelona
    Apr 10, 2011
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Vamos!!!!!!!
     
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  13. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    Finally some pressure and running all over the pitch
     
  14. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    Wow momentum killer
     
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  15. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    Time wasting already..
     
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  16. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Good movement and energy for the first ten or so minutes but now...Not a lot of imagination and the energy has kinda chilled out.
     
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  17. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We need a goal to break Paraguay out of their defensive shell.
     
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  18. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    If I learned one thing about the NT over the past 13 years is that Riquelme was an amazing midfielder.
     
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  19. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Unable to control the damn ball. Heavy touches and etc.
     
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  20. Amuseddaysleeper

    Jul 8, 2014
    We are going out in the group stages
     
  21. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    meh, very uninspired attacking play. The distance between players never look right to begin with
     
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  22. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Nice counter by Derlis, lucky not to be down a goal.
     
  23. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Paraguay’s first attacking moment and they nearly score... from a counter...
     
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  24. ShortyMac

    ShortyMac Member+

    Barcelona
    Apr 10, 2011
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gracias a Dios that wasn't a PAR goal.
     
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  25. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    We are completely toothless.
     
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