Neverending Story 3: The Ongoing Brexit Thread

The thought would be that Johnson stands down the Tories in 30-40 Labour leave voting seats where there's a strong UKIP vote share. Farage in as deputy PM.
The problem is that there aren't too many seats like that. Most of UKIP's former high vote constituencies are either safe Red/Blue or marginals that the Tories would need on top of any Farage seats. Most have very little vote share for other parties. Hartlepool is the only seat I can see where that would likely pay off. He would have to be very confident in their private polling to convince the party on this. Also, if Labour come off their Brexit fence then the picture changes again.
That said, I wouldn't put it past Johnson to promise this to Farage and then screw him over.

 

That's asking a hell of a lot.

 

Clearly, too much.

 

You asked for it....again!

 

When is the WHidiot offering the Brits 51st state status. Does away with alot of trade dealings.

 

If the Brits fell for that one then they'd really be in Dutch!

 

And Johnson extends his lead.. I’m thinking Boris is the next PM at this point. He’s definitely not going to drop out and he’ll need to lose a ton of votes in future rounds to not end up in the top 2. If this goes out to the general Conservative populace, I’m not sure how Boris loses..

 

I like how the economist on an article about Conservatives and their lack of ideas, they get to throw shade at Corbyn.

Nice job with the double shade.

https://www.economist.com/bagehots-...-beyond-brexit-and-the-future-of-conservatism

 

There aren't good public polls on Conservative voters that I've seen, so we can take MP votes as indicators that they've got internal polling. And Boris is just 30-40 votes shy of half the Tory party. I'd agree with you on this.

 

And just like you predicted the rise of fascism in the US, you're dead wrong here.

 

Just reading about that...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48688703

Rory Stewart has told the BBC he is talking to his leadership rival Michael Gove "about combining forces".

He said he needed to think about who was best placed to ask Boris Johnson "the testing questions".

Acknowledging that the two men have different views on Brexit he said: "We would have to agree to compromise."​

???

Not sure how they can 'compromise' between leaving the EU without a deal if necessary and NOT leaving the EU without a deal but, there we are...

 

Here's the thing.

Pick a thing that is happening in the US or the UK now, and I'll show you when it existed before in the history of those countries.

The difference between democracies enacting shitty policies they will regret AND fascism is that fascism can only be undone by regime change. All the UK has to do is not vote for the Tories in the next general election and this "fascism" disappears.

Fascism - actual fascism - is happening in Hungary. Authoritarian movements in Turkey, Venezuela, Hong Kong, etc., those are real.

Conflating a bunch of stupid policies that the UK and US have a long history of doing with fascism does a major disservice to both the history of real fascism and undoes the obligation that citizens in democracies have.

For example, by declaring "fascism!" you absolve a lot of hand-wringing Tory voters of the bulk of the blame for what's going on.

 

Name specific events that are indicative of these things, and I'll show you something in the US from 1868-1945.

Again, specific things and I'll pull from history. None of this is new.

 

Yes.

Warren Harding, Ulysses Grant, ...take your pick.

 

Like a meteorite from outer space hitting him

 

I predict the rise of Neo-Facism and/or Neo-Socialism (is this even a thing?) in every single country of the world.



From now on, I will ignore any case that I get wrong, but any country that hints on going that way, I will say "I told you so".