Neverending Story 3: The Ongoing Brexit Thread

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-to-stop-no-deal-brexit-tory-mp-oliver-letwin

 

A big cheer went up at the announcement of the count and Corbyn shouted back, 'You won't be cheering in September'. I'm just afraid that nobody will be cheering in September

It's like I said, if we come up with an idea the tories won't go for it regardless.

I saw Rory Stewart speaking who'd promised to vote for it but hadn't. He said he couldn't because it would have meant parliament taking control of the order paper.

Er... that was kinda the point yer twit!!!

He said it set a dangerous precedent but that's simply a reflection of where are... i.e.. in deep shit!

I'd thought he was relatively sane before but now I'm not so sure.

Having said that he's a step up from Boris bloody Johnson.

 

So we're now at the point where the person who led the actual Leave campaign during the referendum isn't considered to be enough of a Brexiter.

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The hell he is. Boris is Trump, Rory is Paul Ryan. The same shit ideas packaged with a pretty bow are still shit ideas.

 

Stewart's a strange one. Former Labour member (as a teenager) and the first time he voted Tory was for himself in 2010.

 

The point at issue is whether he's better than Boris and he clearly is.

I'm not sure how Paul Ryan comes into this, tbh

 

There was talk of him being in the intelligence services at one point. He's certainly got the sort of background one would expect.

But, like I say, they're ALL tories

 

The only one who would be worse than Johnson came last.

 

Paul Ryan was the Republican Party's "ideas man," a fresh face who would change how the party operated. He ended up capitulating on everything he claimed was principle and retiring young. He also repackaged a lot of bad ideas without changing the underlying garbage.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/11/17223942/house-speaker-paul-ryan-fraud

 

The wicked witch of the Wirral, y'mean. Yeah, she would have been worse.

 

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— Paul (@paulj71) June 13, 2019

 

Hmmm... yeah. Not sure about the accuracy of that, tbh.

That poll was only 4 days after the Peterborough by-election where we got 31% in direct competition against the brexit party so I'm not sure we can take that as completely reliable. It seems unlikely we'd have lost 12% in 4 days.

But I think we all accept there are considerable problems with messaging atm. Thus the efforts to push the leadership to have a 2nd vote if the tories try and push through no-deal.

Actually we were talking about that last night at the AAM because we were selecting delegates for party conference in September.

 

I say it again, the liberal democrats and green party are going to fvck themselves in the ass and let their best opportunity to govern pass them by due to them not coming up with a deal to run as a coalition.

How can they not see the polling and join forces? Because they are shit politicians.

 

You know better than me but 1 district a country does not make. (In a Yoda voice)

 

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The LibDems are to the right of Labour, and the Greens are to the left. That's what I thought anyway.

They aren't natural allies.

 

Both are hard core remeiners (remeinders?), the #1 issue in the UK right now.

 

Agreed but, in normal times, that would have been a natural gain for the governing party as it was happening because the labour candidate had been sent to prison. In the situation where we had a majority of 600 that would be an absolutely nailed-on gain for the tories.

As it was the tories vote absolutely collapsed whereas ours held up reasonably well bearing in mind bearing in mind all the circumstances AND the fact the meeja were claiming this was the brexit parties to lose and were giving them a lot of coverage.

IIRC Peterborough was a heavily leave area and we had been guaranteed to lose in some quarters.

 

In the meeja it is... on the doorstep, not so much.

Having said that the greens and liberals don't seem to get on and this despite the fact they largely agree about most things.

That what I was saying about the greens press conference during the local elections where they more or less said, 'Whatever you do, don't vote for those bastards the liberals'.

 

Remember the outgoing MP (EP what are them called) said that she was being persecuted like the biblical Jesus.

So yes Labor had all the inclination to lose, They lost 17% of the vote from the last time, but luckily for them, BREXIT party seems to have a cap of the low 30's- High 20's.

If you add up the Brexit party and the Torys, you get 3 decimals above 50%.

 

IIRC I mentioned in this very thread that Prof. John Curtice said that the brexit vote was split almost exactly down the middle in Peterborough with half going to the tories and half going to the brexit party.

And... yes. You're right. The previous incumbent did us NO favours in that election. Frankly she seems to be an absolute loon!

 

The best we can hope for with the tories is to have someone who isn't actually clinically insane or an out and out crook and charlatan.