News: 2018 Other Teams Discussion Thread (spoilers)

He'd be better than Amerikwa, but I don't see much hope for him long term.

 

Our window is until Rooney’s contract is up. We need short term help to not ruin this opportunity.

 

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I can only agree with this.

 

Only if the significant other knows he's got a secret hankering for burley to rotund, white-haired old-farts.

 

I’m not sure when the Gold Cup switched to playing matches outside the states but I like it.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ma-hierarchy-as-he-leaves-club-after-30-years

Fuel on the fire today at Totti's press conference, it almost seems that the only intent of James Pallotta and friends is to ruin the club they own. I wonder after todays words from Totti, how many players will want to come and play for Roma.

 

After making a series of questionable calls against my daughter's under 12 team, the center ref was hit by bald eagle shit from 200 feet above the field.

 

VRA - Vertical Referee Analysis

 

Paul Arriola is the first scorer for the US at the Gold Cup.

 

Arriola just missed an open goal header in the 57th minute. Actually, the circumstances made that a more difficult attempt than it looked.

 

Arriola was MOTM for me.

Wasn't he the one who pinged a shot off of the otherwise useless Zardes's face for a goal?

 

And while it required VAR, Junior Moreno and Venezuela tied Brazil 0-0 in Copa America play last night.

 

It was a LOT of VAR and I do almost wonder if the act of blocking vs playing the ball is a hair too fine to split with respect to "clear and obvious" leading to a VAR in the first place. I think VAR is far from the finished product anywhere in the world that its being applied and I think the situation in France/Nigeria at the WWC is a clear example in the same way Freddy's foul on the GK in Minnesota. And both VARs had elements of other transgressions occurring on the same play or an ensuing play that were similarly tickky tack, yet weren't reviewed.

 

Refing question ... in the box, if one player going for the ball, accidentally misses the ball and kicks the player with the ball, injuring that player is it PK? Because the explanation I got at the all star tourney this weekend was that because the kick was an accident, it wasn't a foul <sigh> and a free kick was awarded to the defensive team because of the injury stoppage for my player.

 

Thats bullshit.

It doesnt matter if it was an accident/unintentional, a fouls a foul.

 

Thats kind of the point I made ... but you don't wanna be that coach who gets tossed from the U10 soccer tournament.

What I said was, "but he still kicked him ... Sergio Ramos has made a career out of accidentally fouling people to death". After the game, the kid showed me the cleat marks above his ankle bone (shit was not even close to the ball), there were 3 clear cleat marks that had broken/scraped the skin through his sock and I'd guess the rest of his cleats caught the shin guard, but that was more than enough to make the kid go down and leave him in tears. I couldn't believe that's the tact she took on that play.

 

It was great to see both goals not count.

 

Referee's never surprise me anymore tbh. Its ike projecting the players is no longer a primary objective.

Hope the player is okay.

 

When I parent reffed in rec leagues for U-7 and U-8 kids on coed teams, I let a lot of fouls go because they were more the result of poor coordination or lack of technique rather than intent or carelessness. Also, at that level, if you call all the fouls you see, the game will become nothing but stoppages which takes the fun out of the game. Also, at that point, my kids' league didn't introduce the offside rule until U-11 or U-12 IIRC, so the emphasis was on play, not sticking to the letter of the rules.
Now, if your team is in an organized league playing full rules and has a "real" ref that passed an exam, then a foul is a foul and the ref's explanation to you is bullshit.

 

The kid was ok and went back in for the 2nd half, but getting raked on the ankle, shin or anywhere that there's little more than skin and bone hurts a lot. I've been stepped on and raked by the kids in practice, it hurts and I have a nice adult layer of fat on me to boot.

So all these kids come from leagues where they play full rules. The reffing can be very inconsistent because its probably 15 year olds reffing, but they've got off sides, a penalty box and pretty much all the trimmings of a full ruleset. The build out line being the only deviation. Some of these kids are travel grade, most are a bit below, since its rec all stars, but still the standouts in a rec season.

This woman reffed our morning game and was spot on, didn't miss a thing, but it also wasn't as contested of a game. She called a really good game, but I think she fell off in the afternoon game. There were some other inconsistent calls throughout the game, but this one really left me in a quandary, because I can't argue it very much. Its youth sports. You just don't, but the kid is trying to figure out why he's been kicked in a place that hurts a lot and nothing is called. The kids at this age are extremely aware of the pro game. There are kids who show up with their hair gelled and everything absolutely perfect about their kit to match how their favorite play wears theirs, minus the ketchup stain of course. It might the first time some of these kids have played for a trophy or anything really. It showed in how they took winning and losing.

And I agree that you can't call everything, but I think an obvious PK foul is deserving of a call. We had 2 trips where the kid got right back up go against us, from 2 other refs, so this is a personal judgement thing, but I don't think that you let this one go.

 

Oh, I agree with you. If you're playing a full ruleset, then something like you described is a foul and not the way the ref called it. Problem is that it's hard to get refs period. The pay is lousy, but the abuse is generous. Soccer is a hard to game to call when the ref is experienced and fit -- throw in inexperience and a fitness level that may be worse than the players and you will get weird things happening.

I saw on Deadspin today a brawl that erupted in a 7 year olds' baseball game. The ump was 13 or 15 and one of the parents took exception to what they considered a blown call. Full riot of the parents ensued.

My daughter played AAU basketball one summer, that was WWIII most of the time with the parents. They would scream at the refs, opposing coaches and the scorekeepers. People today are ********ing nuts -- full stop.

 

I actually came back here with the link to that story copied, to post. That’s ********ing insane. And from the sounds of the story only basic citations were issued. No one got charged with anything heavy duty like assault. I’m stunned. Rome continues to burn. Society continues to be ruder and more inconsiderate every day.

This will not be a popular take, but the league should do something, not to punish the kids but create circumstances where all the parents have to explain to their kids that there are repercussions for every one involved. Yell at an ump or ref and you need to face certain consequences. Who ever that was started it and next adult escalated it and so on. It’s not always the complaining coaches or parents fault, but as adults you need to understand the ground you’re treading on.

We had a game this season where the AR raised her flag, the ref whistled for off sides and I yelled that the kid was on sides by 20 yards. The kid reffing immediately asked me if I wanted a yellow card and replied no, just look at the defender by the keeper. He again pressed about the yellow card and just shook my head no. He eventually did look and we got a free kick from the dead ball spot, but at the same time one of my kids who had never scored was on a 2v1 with one of better players who likely would have done his best to create a chance for this kid in a favorable situation. He’d done it before. As the parent you have to accept that the stakes for rec sports aren’t that high and you can’t tread hard the officials. You have to deescalate no matter how tight you are. I’m not sure the PK in my earlier post would have changed the outcome of the game, but it wasn’t worth getting a card in front everyone to prove I was right.

 

I actually think the games would be better if the parents were banned from attending. On my daughter's rec league team (coed) one Dad would wave a $20 bill in the air and say to his kid "get a goal and this is yours." What a ********ing douche. Let the kids play.