Pre-match: 2019 CONCACAF Gold Cup Group Stage: USA vs Guyana

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  1. FormerNo10

    FormerNo10 Member

    Juventus
    United States
    Dec 13, 2018
    Adams and McKennie have great reps as to being able to cover a lot of ground but this is asking too much of any player(s). Why are their talents essential to covering for a non-defensive, slow #6?
     
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  2. FormerNo10

    FormerNo10 Member

    Juventus
    United States
    Dec 13, 2018
    ...and now playing like he is sleep-walking around.

    Seriously, my 2 favorite things watching MB90. How he tries to get back on defense and get into his defensive crouch 5-10 yards off of his mark and, two, watch whenever one his teammates are taken down very hard or worse. The player is suffering in pain on the ground and his only concern will be to grab the ball and start preparing for the upcoming set piece that he, of course, will always need to take.
     
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  3. FormerNo10

    FormerNo10 Member

    Juventus
    United States
    Dec 13, 2018
    If we can't score at least 2 goals before the half and finish them off...
     
  4. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #504 FirstStar, Jun 16, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2019
    Oh, but the true nuclear disaster sits in the background, at 15,000.
     
  5. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They are better than Guyana. Think we will get 9 Tuesday night?
     
  6. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Man, I'd take one and be happy. The worst part about it though would be the idiot coaching staff sitting smugly after a 1 or 2 nil win against Guyana saying how great the effort was and how pleased they were about the chances they generated and how good the team was at getting into good positions.
     
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  7. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, when Holmes got injured, after Lletget got injured, there were two guys from the 40 to choose from to replace him (unless you consider replacing an AM with a striker, in which case you could bring Sargent in). One was Nagbe, the other Mihailovic. I like Nagbe, personally, but do see that Mihailovic is much more aggressive in combining in the final third. We're down to 3rd and 4th choice options at the position due to injury.
     
  8. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    If the US suffers a striker injury in the next 2 days, who will Berhalter call?

    1. Christian Ramirez
    2. Josh Sargent, 10 days into his summer vacation.

    Even though it would be unpopular, I would clearly expect Ramirez to be the guy.
     
  9. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    That excuse only works if you were handed the 40 man roster. But when you have 6+ months to come up with 40 players as a pool, and then you basically end up with the 23 that faced Panama in January, that is a failure.

    And the answer is Sargent.

    Nagbe shouldn't be on the 40 because he is being blacklisted, correctly. But you need to have found anyone that could actually contribute positively. Aaronson, Davis, Morales, have not even been looked at. Pomykal is better than 50% of the CMs on this roster now.
     
  10. mannycoon

    mannycoon Member

    May 13, 2009
    You'd think he would avoid using non-MLS mediocrities like Omar and Ream if this was the case. Both could easily be replaced with similarly talented MLS mediocrities.
     
  11. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Maybe it's Sargent who should be getting the call, but would Berhalter really call in a European player (like CCV, Robinson, or Sargent) who has been on summer vacation for 10 days if this US squad suffers another injury before the tournament in the next 2 days?

    I'm skeptical.
     
  12. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Nagbe were being blacklisted he wouldn't be on the 40 to begin with. Aaronson looks promising, but is 18 and has 12 games as a 1st division player. Don't know who Davis is. Morales wouldn't be a replacement for Holmes even if he were on the roster. Again, Berhalter had his 3rd and 4th choice options to choose from to replace Holmes. It borders on the ridiculous to complain that his 4th choice option isn't your 4th choice option.
     
  13. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I remember that Gold Cup very well. Going in, the roster looked astonishingly weak and any reasonable observer would have to have been seriously concerned that we would be able to show decently with some of the mediocre vets and untried youth out there. Happily, we managed to scrape our way into the finals (despite almost losing to Haiti and needing ET to beat Panama), though once there Mexico exposed our lack of quality and beat us badly.

    At first this story gave me some hope because it looks very similar to what we're dealing with now, basically an identical level of concern beforehand but in that case followed by a run to the final (though a horrible final). But upon reflection it's a really depressing comparison because in 2009 the reason the roster was weak was that those were almost all second-choice players (a couple exceptions: Davies, Dolo). It was the roster left over because the top-flight players had just been to the Confeds Cup.

    I realize others have made versions of this point, but still I find it singularly concerning. If the *best* roster we can feature is about on the same level as the second-string roster we fielded in 2009, well ... ********. Hard to find a clearer indication of programmatic decline than that.
     
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  14. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    There were quotes in later interviews that make the two claims contradict one another.
     
  15. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you implying that Jamaica and Venezuela are on par with Cuba? ;)
     
  16. Centennial

    Centennial Member+

    Apr 4, 2003
    Centennial
    Jamaica may be close to Cuba talent wise but Venezuela Is a much better team. No comparison
     
  17. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think I belittled his skill in that regards at all. I said he is a decent dribbler who is well at maintaining possession. Sounds like you vehemently agreed with what I wrote in the first place. He adds nothing to the future of this team.
     
  18. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is he being blacklisted for missing a friendly? That's petty.
     
  19. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Sorry... I shouldn't have quoted you. it was just a general comment about nagbe. I agree with your assessment and find it sad that I would have chosen nagbe over the player to replace Holmes.
     
  20. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Why are Chandler and Johnson being black listed? I guess I should add Moralles, William's, Wood, etc.
     
  21. vexco

    vexco Member+

    Nov 2, 2013
    It doesn't border on ridiculous to complain that his 4th option is awful if you feel there are better players who could've been looked at during this period.
     
  22. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure, it was just Jamaica and Venezuela at home but OK.
     
  23. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    I think the difference between players like Nagbe/Morales/Williams and somebody like Chandler is that Chandler is an excellent player with a proven Bundesliga career who should have had a lock on the right back position since Cherundolo retired, 75+ caps, multiple World Cups, maybe even U.S. captaincy, etc.

    Instead, Chandler is the biggest bust in U.S. national team history.
     
  24. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    both are likely MLS players by the end of 2019...heck, one already is...

    plus omar is a former teammate of GB @ LAG...GB has clearly shown a penchant towards nepotism/croneyism AKA if he has any history with a player they are "in"
     
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  25. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nagbe should play further from goal...he would be perfect in Trapp and Bradley's spot.

    He's not an attacking mid..that's fine....but he's great at adavancing the ball in the middle third of the field...which trapp and bradely both suck at. he faster and a better defender than both trapp and bradely ....

    AND guess what ? he plays there in MLS, too.

    just like Nguyen and Fielhaber too....(both also better than WTF90 and MB90)
     
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