This will be a very interesting case to watch. The US legal system has taken a very dim view of FIFA's manner of doing business on several fronts. There are intriguing arguments on all sides. Those arguing that the child-athletes are not doing work for hire have a bit of a point. In the US we don't treat youth (e.g. high school) leagues and matches that charge fees as organizations that have employees... but that might be more of a legacy view that's never been challenged. It wasn't that long ago that the concept of college athletes being treated as employees who had a right to unionize was laughable. Now, while not yet proving successful, the idea has found days before a court and rulings that acknowledge the athletes have a valid point to raise. So, there's evolution on these matters. And, this Yedlin solidarity payments concept fits right into that evolutionary flux. It will be interesting to watch.
Why would Crossfire be affected by that? MLS is free to give money away to whomever they wish. They're not free to waive Crossfire's training compensation claim. So Crossfire would still have their hand out to whomever didn't pass on the Tottenham money.
That's a good question. When Yedlin was sold to Tottenham, it was an inter-federation transfer of his player passport. I think the flow is supposed to be new club to their federation to the prior federation to the prior clubs. In this case Tottenham (and presumably the English FA) paid the required fees to USSF but it sounds like USSF forwarded the whole amount to MLS. Or possibly only forwarded Seattle's share to them, retaining the training compensation money.
I'll give you an example of where US laws are different to the EU. Domestic transfer fees are illegal.
Not that I'm aware of. I'm pretty sure Red Bulls paid cash for an Atlanta Ruckus/Silverbacks player about five years ago.
Joking, I hope. Poku, I think. Also, the Rapid player who destroyed his knee scoring a goal in MLS Cup.
I agree that there's no child labor. I am not a lawyer. Neither are you. Seriously -- take the loss here and move on.
Actually you're right. I remember Miami FC paying a ridiculous amount for Poku. But MLS teams seem able to pick up USL players for nothing, Sean Okoli, for instance.
Was this posted here before (from yesterday) https://www.si.com/soccer/2019/06/14/fifa-yedlin-training-compensation-ruling-crossfire-mls and FIFA ruled However, Which doesn't quite make sense to me. Has the USSF reversed itself? And the story is consistent with several different ways the payments might have been processed. This is why I wish we had a better soccer press. I don't need for them to tell me what I should think about Jozy Altidore, I need them to ask questions I can't ask.
You would have a better argument if you would torpedo the specific claim I made with counter arguments. This post is very lame and smacks like you've got no refute at hand. It is claimed that Yedlin has done (child) labour, just because the club received money for labour done by themselves, not for labour of Yedlin. It's rather strange to claim Yedlin has been working, while his 10 other buddies, who werenot bought by a pro club, but were on the pitch in the same matches as Y was and doing the same thing, playing soccer for pleasure as amateurs, havenot done any labour. Just odd labour laws if you get an extra pay for your work as developer on top of what you received from your contractor Yedlin/parents, it swaps Y into an unpayed labourer, but his teammates not, while these were doing the same.
Macoumba Kandji Also in one of the bigger mistakes of Pablo's coaching career he had the Rapids pay a transfer fee for USL defender Mike da Fonte, which prevented us from making a bigger attacking pickup that offseason. da Fonte was so bad that for 2018 we loaned him back to the USL essentially as soon as the 2017 season ended just to run out his contract. I don't need to spend time refuting somebody who claims "common sense" arguments for a country he's shown repeatedly to not have basic understanding of.
MLS teams can usually "discover" players in USL. If the player is under contract, his current team would be due compensation. If the MLS team waits til he's out of contract, it's free, as with an international transfer. Is Mac Khanji the player referred to earlier?
They cannot, as the money payed by Tottenham was for the developing club/Crossfire. If mls would transfer the money to Y/parents, they simply would risk themselves having to pay it twice if Y/parents refuse to pay it back. Mls in fact are acting as safe keepers, until the money can be transferred to the club that under FIFA rules has the legitimate claim on it. Y/Parents are no party in this whole thing, so transferring to them would be the dumbest thing to do.
You're telling me in the USA it is illegal for any company to pay another company a compensation for an employee that still has a contract running, in order to get the contract canceled and angle in the desired target? I think you're being silly.
This thread has become like Rocky IV. Feyenoord is Apollo Creed, and American sociology and laws are Ivan Drago.
You're being deliberately antagonistic. There's the possibility that these payments break laws that were not created for this specific situation. Given the NCAA dominance of youth sports, and the emphasis on amateurism, it's quite possible that there are laws in place that would raise obstacles in compensating youth organizations based on the fortunes of their graduates. IMG Academy gave us Landon Donovan, Perry Kitchen and Brek Shea but they also gave us baseball cheat, er great, Alex Rodriguez, plus Nomar Garciaparra and Josh Hamilton. It's quite possible that there are other laws that TC would inadvertently break. On the other hand, there may not be.
I'm quite confident this is wrong. Baseball routinely has trades that euphemistically say, "player a for player b along with additional considerations". Additional considerations is often money.
It might be awhile before a players parents/guardians sue a club over this situation. With the norm beginning to be players on academy teams signing contracts now, MLS teams agreeing to pay the fees going forward, etc. And nobody was embezzling money or hiding it or keeping it from Crossfire. At the time of the transfer, USSF was very clearly stating they don't partake. So at the time the transfer was paid it was understood all that money was meant for MLS/The Sounders. MLS/The Sounders didn't negotiate a transfer fee that included training compensation or solidarity fees.