trade & free agency ideas

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  1. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    That would not surprise me, and might be the best option for the team if you're looking long-term. If the expectation is that Vako leaves either in the summer or at the end of the season, then locking down Espinoza and going on the hunt for a DP again after his slot opens up makes a lot of sense.

    I'd definitely like to see the team sign Espinoza to a contract if it's possible, and he very likely would require a DP contract at this point.
     
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  2. Beckham7

    Beckham7 Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Northern, California
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
  3. Beckham7

    Beckham7 Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Northern, California
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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  4. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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  5. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
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  6. Beckham7

    Beckham7 Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Northern, California
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Yeah a few days ago he was. I think LA would have to get rid of a DP though.
     
  7. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's a winger/forward. We need a schemer.
     
  8. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Right, because the Earthquakes have shown they have incredible depth in the wide player and forward lines :unsure:. If the games against Dallas and Sacramento proved anything, it's that they very seriously lack depth in those areas, wide midfield especially. Eriksson should never player there, and the fact that Almeyda had to put him there suggests a very serious problem.

    Also, the team is building for more than just the rest of 2019. Every single player's job is in question. It would be very foolish to overlook a potentially very good player, regardless of position, because you think the team needs a specific thing.
     
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  9. natenate101

    natenate101 Moderator
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    Dec 16, 2006
    California, US
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    Real Madrid
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    United States
    This. Just need to improve the overall quality of each position, little by little. Gotta start somewhere and an exciting winger always helps.
     
  10. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, we don't need a CAM? Espinoza has been great on the outside, and Salinas has played decent as well. Eriksson shouldn't be playing as a #10 either. At this point I would take a quality #10 over another winger.
     
  11. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    I will take anybody who is a notable improvement over our current roster in any position. This is the way to build a team...
     
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  12. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Not my point. My point is to not overlook a good player because you also need a player for another position.If I had to prioritize, I would absolutely prefer the team sign another forward or wide player first, if that's the discussion. Between current regular players and upcoming academy players, the middle of the field is not as dire. I also think this is an issue where you want the team to have a certain type of player that simply doesn't really exist for Almeyda's system. All three central midfielders act to facilitate movement of the ball, there is no singular attacking midfield figure.

    Again, look beyond the rest of 2019. Salinas has been good, but he'll soon be 33 years old, and he's currently unavailable due to injury. That is only going to get worse. His retirement is probably not far off. Similarly, while Wondolowski has played about as well as he ever has recently, he is nearing the end of his career. He should not be tasked with being the primary (and often single) forward on the team. With Hoesen out, they literally have no other preferred options. This is a huge problem.
     
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  13. Sactown Soccer

    Jul 29, 2007
    Redding
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A guy who could play left wing or forward would solve a lot of problems for us right now. Salinas has been good, but he's injured and is getting older. He's still best as a super sub. Wondo is doing great, but it's good to have another option, especially since Hoesen is now injured.
     
  14. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    You can never have too many goal scorers!
     
  15. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Transfrmarkt has him at 20 million euros, however, that doesn't reflect the drop in value it is said he has in the last year. But, even at 10 million would Fisher spend???
     
  16. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Pavon is legit talent, he would help us anywhere across the midfield or forward lines...he could absolutely replace Mag at ACM/drop forward...might even put us over the top against better teams if we can somehow pull this off...
     
  17. nivla

    nivla Member+

    Jan 17, 2003
    Milpitas
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sources: Cruz Azul's Fierro in talks to join Quakes
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-l...ces-cruz-azuls-fierro-in-talks-to-join-quakes

    "Mexican winger Carlos Fierro is in talks to sign for MLS club San Jose Earthquakes, where he could link up again with his former Chivas coach Matias Almeyda, sources have told ESPN FC.

    Fierro won the Under-17 World Cup with Mexico in 2011 and was a regular in Almeyda's 2017 Clausura championship-winning team at Chivas, featuring in all the playoff games en route to the title."
     
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  18. Beckham7

    Beckham7 Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Northern, California
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Fierro
    Looks like he played striker a lot when he was younger, and then Chivas moved him to winger. With the way the Quakes play, another fast winger would be a good signing.
     
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  19. Beckham7

    Beckham7 Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Northern, California
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  20. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
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  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Don't know much about him but those that do say he's not very good... which would make him a typical Quakes signing.
     
  22. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Hoping for some Almeyda motivational magic in that regard. He already knows Almeyda's system, which is a huge plus. Hopefully we're also shopping for a DP central mid.
     
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  23. Beckham7

    Beckham7 Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Northern, California
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  24. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Any specific people you're referring to? It helps to know the credentials of evaluators when deciding whether or not their opinions are worth considering.

    I think it's important to emphasize that when a team is evaluating a player, they have to very carefully consider the "why" of things. In Fierro's case, he obviously showed a lot of promise as a youth player, though his professional career doesn't seem to be what it could be. Maybe he just reached a level of competition he isn't quite suited for. That's one possibility, but before dismissing him, you should be trying to determine why he might not be performing at a higher level.

    I'll use Thompson as a more concrete example since we're a lot more familiar with him. Thompson showed incredible skill and promise when he was signed as a homegrown player. His first few years as a professional were incredibly underwhelming, however.

    A lot of people seemed to think he just wasn't actually that good (and maybe that's still true). But even some very light investigation into the situation gives some explanation for his delayed development: he was being brought up by coaches that didn't emphasize player development almost at all.

    I certainly don't know enough about Fierro to make a judgement call on his quality as a player, but my point is that if the Quakes are doing their homework on the guy, they might discover some very good reasons why Fierro isn't appearing to be as good as he might be.

    Obviously his past history with Almeyda is going to be a big factor in all this. Fierro performed well under his guidance before, he's still quite young, so if you're an upside kind of person, I don't think it would take a lot of convincing to see the potential in a signing like this.

    On the other hand, if you think the team needs to be going after "proven" players, then a signing like this is probably not going to excite you much.

    If Fierro is signed, my hope would be he's something like an Espinoza. Personally, my first impressions of Espinoza were not very good. He defended poorly, he made lots of mistakes, and seemed to be kind of isolated out on the wing. Over time, he's turned into one of the most entertaining players the Quakes have had in many years.

    With the need for more wingers, the uncertainty of Espizona actually signing long-term for the Quakes, etc, I think this move is one that definitely would make sense. I just hope the "why" also makes sense.
     
  25. tvromero

    tvromero Member

    Jun 2, 2018
    I don't know anything about Carlos Fierro but I assume he will come in as a DP but is he that kind of player that he will influence games for the next few years or does he need grooming. Plus it looks like he would be a cheap OP, around 1M to 1.5M but a DP nonetheless. I would much rather see us spend in the 2M to 3M range and get someone who is established and performing. If he comes in under 500K then go for it.
     

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