2019 U.S. Open Cup

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  1. rocketeer22

    rocketeer22 Member+

    Apr 11, 2000
    Oakton,VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Atlanta lucky that apparent tying goal is offside.
     
  2. rocketeer22

    rocketeer22 Member+

    Apr 11, 2000
    Oakton,VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then Charleston tries a chip and it is off the cross-bar
     
  3. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Charleston with another glorious opportunity, but the chip goes off the crossbar.
     
  4. rocketeer22

    rocketeer22 Member+

    Apr 11, 2000
    Oakton,VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    3-1 Atlanta - that goal looked really easy to get.
     
  5. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    And that's the dagger.

    Atlanta 3-1 Charleston
     
  6. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mmmmmmmmmgol.
     
  7. rocketeer22

    rocketeer22 Member+

    Apr 11, 2000
    Oakton,VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ref was consistent. He whistled the game at exactly 3 minutes.
     
  8. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder why they did play it here.
    https://www.atlutd.com/club/facilities/training-ground
     
  9. cleazer

    cleazer Member+

    May 6, 2003
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2019 US Open Cup
    Fourth Round
    Home team first


    Tuesday, June 11
    Columbus Crew SC (MLS) 1-0 Pittsburgh Riverhounds SC (USL-C)
    New York Red Bulls (MLS) 2-3 (aet) New England Revolution (MLS)
    Houston Dynamo (MLS) 3-2 Austin Bold FC (USL-C)
    Saint Louis FC (USL-C) 2-1 Chicago Fire (MLS)
    Real Salt Lake (MLS) 0-3 Los Angeles FC (MLS)
    San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) 4-3 Sacramento Republic FC (USL-C)

    Wednesday, June 12
    NY City FC (MLS) 4-0 North Carolina FC (USL-C)
    D.C. United (MLS) 2-1 (aet) Philadelphia Union (MLS)
    FC Cincinnati (MLS) 2-1 (aet) Louisville City FC (USL-C)
    Minnesota United FC (MLS) 4-1 Sporting Kansas City (MLS)
    FC Dallas (MLS) 4-0 OKC Energy FC (USL-C)
    Memphis 901 FC (USL-C) 1-3 Orlando City SC (MLS)
    Colorado Rapids (MLS) 2-2 (pks 2-4) New Mexico United (USL-C)
    LA Galaxy (MLS) 3-0 Orange County FC (NPSL)
    Seattle Sounders (MLS) 1-2 Portland Timbers (MLS)

    Thursday, June 13
    Charleston Battery (USL-C) 3-1 (aet) Atlanta United (MLS)




    I'm pretty sure Charleston still counted as the home team tonight. Maybe. Possibly. Though maybe not.
     
  10. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Were there literally zero spectators? No ticketed fans surely, but I'm guessing there were reporters, photographers, front office staffers, etc., who were there and might wish to know the regular info that comes on the PA.
     
  11. cleazer

    cleazer Member+

    May 6, 2003
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We all heard that crying baby, right?
     
  12. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    The 4th round update for 2019 of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and accounting for that is difficult. D2/D3 before 2011 are their own beast. What is now USLC (which was D3 in 2011 and is now D2) and NASL (which is now defunct and joined the Cup in 2012 at the D2 level) started fresh. NASL has now died, what was PDL is now USL2, there's a brand new USL1 this year. It's a mess, I've tried my best, and I'll never be happy with it.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.
    7. Dead leagues: D2 (pre-2011) - 1642, D3 (pre-2011) - 1560, NASL - 1582. These are only important in that ELO rankings are 0-sum, and those numbers can account for why the average of leagues today isn't 1500.

    RoundMLSUSLCUSL1USL2NPSLUSASA/etc
    2018 Final173615531500134512991283
    2019 R1173615531499134512841299
    2019 R2173615681500133312831295
    2019 R3173615561494133313041294
    2019 R4175315401494133313021294


    Only 2 lower division teams (both USLC) remain in the tournament, and the last NPSL team lost out this round as well. MLS pulled slightly away from the others, but as mentioned before, it is hard to make any gains when you've already got the kind of gap between leagues in ratings we have here.

    An example which exemplifies this. Dallas winning 4-0 over OKC caused MLS's rating to raise by 4.76, and USLC's to drop by that much. St. Louis's 2-1 win over Chicago caused USLC's rating to raise by 9.40, and MLS's to drop by that much. So MLS has to win big, or win a ton of matches, to get what USLC can get with a "mundane" 2-1 home win.
     
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  13. rocketeer22

    rocketeer22 Member+

    Apr 11, 2000
    Oakton,VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe they allowed family members to show up but didn't offer general admission tickets.
     
  14. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    I am hearing a screw job in Atlanta?
     
  15. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    Anyone have an attendance figure for DCvPHI? Dont see it listed anywhere you might expect.

    Thx,

    Jay!
     
  16. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Didn't one announcer last imply the absence of a crowd was also sort of a trade off for having the game moved from Charleston to Atlanta? Kind of an "Okay, you get to host but we can't let you have a real home field advantage, so..."
     
  17. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Yes, he did say that.
     
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  18. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I can abide by that. Not Charleston's fault they suffered a mini-monsoon.
     
  19. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The USSF is listing the game as a home game for Atlanta.
     
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  20. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Fourth round results analysis:
    Home teams went 11-5 on advancement. That's 45-23 for the tournament.
    NOTE: I'm counting the Atlanta win as a home game.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    MLS 14-7
    USL-C 2-8
    NPSL 0-1

    Note: Several MLS teams played each other. MLS went 9-2 against lower division opponents.

    Cumulative for the tournament so far:
    MLS 14-7
    USL-C 30-22
    USL-1 5-6
    Local Qualifiers 6-8
    USL-2 6-10
    NSPL 6-14
     
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  21. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2019 US Open Cup
    Round of 16
    Home team first, times are ET
    All games are on ESPN+

    Tuesday, June 18
    Columbus Crew SC (MLS) v. Atlanta United FC (MLS) 7:00 pm
    Houston Dynamo (MLS) vs. Minnesota United FC (MLS) 7:00 pm

    Wednesday, June 19
    DC United (MLS) v. New York City FC (MLS) 7:00 pm
    Orlando City SC (MLS) v. New England Revolution (MLS) 7:30 pm
    FC Dallas (MLS) v. New Mexico United (USL-C) 8:00 pm
    Saint Louis FC (USL-C) v. FC Cincinnati (MLS) 8:30 pm
    Portland Timbers (MLS) vs. LA Galaxy (MLS) 11:00 pm

    Thursday, June 20
    Los Angeles FC (MLS) v. San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) 10:30 pm

    Quarterfinals are July 9-10.
     
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  22. cleazer

    cleazer Member+

    May 6, 2003
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If both New Mexico and St Louis lose next week, New Mexico gets the $$$ for being the highest USLC team right? Since they beat an MLS team on the road? (Well, actually tied.)
     
  23. cleazer

    cleazer Member+

    May 6, 2003
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just because an announcer says something doesn't mean that's the case.
     
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  24. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Here are the rules:

    *If two or more teams advance to the same round, the following order of steps will be used to determine which single team will be awarded the prize money:

    1. Team with the most victories against opponents from three divisions higher
    2. Team with the most draws against opponents from three divisions higher
    3. Team with the most victories against opponents from two divisions higher
    4. Team with the most draws against opponents from two divisions higher
    5. Team with the most victories against opponents from one division higher
    6. Team with the most draws against opponents from one division higher
    7. Team with the most victories against opponents from same division
    8. Team with the most draws against opponents from same division
    9. Team with the most overall victories
    10. Prize money to be divided equally among the teams

    For the purpose of this procedure, a game that ends with kicks from the penalty mark to determine the team advancing to the next round is recorded as a draw.

    Road games are not a factor. Here is the way I see it: if their results are equal in the Round of 16 then St. Louis would get the prize under Rule 6 since they actually beat a higher division team. New Mexico has not done that.
     
  25. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I just realized I cited Rule 6 and it should have been Rule 5. My mistake.
     

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