MLS to expand to 30 teams. $200 Million expansion fee.

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by CMeszt, Apr 18, 2019.

  1. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Per translate.com, that's Schrott an die Sovets spenden...

    Which isn't that much longer than Panzerkampfwagen V Panther.
     
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  2. MinuteWaltZ

    MinuteWaltZ Member

    Indy Eleven
    United States
    Apr 19, 2019
    The Codpiece was being a prick for the halibut,
    The Trabant was on the verge of breaking down over Codpiece’s behavior,
    While the Panzer was trying to tread lightly between he two.

    The bartender looked at all this and said, “What is this, some kind of a joke?”
     
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  3. footballfantatic

    Mar 27, 2008
    Ontario, California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s fair, but it doesn’t mean MLS has done enough to grow their viewership. Would you be in favor of adding more DP slots then? The current system needs a doubling of top tier players to increase tv ratings to draw the real media money.
     
  4. footballfantatic

    Mar 27, 2008
    Ontario, California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then let the gap widen (for the *uninterested owners). The owners will sell and a new ownership with aspiration will take over. Protect the middle and top teams and let the penny-pinchers wither on the vine. It would hurt the franchise values of the worst owners but that is to be expected with a less parity-driven league.

    *Teams that do not spend on infrastructure, players, marketing, and management will get punished. The teams that are trying (over an average of the last five years) will not be punished if they have met a minimum requirement of the above.
     
  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, because the way to solve underperforming markets is to make the home team even less enticing for fans to watch...

    Yeah, tell me another one. Sure, this might happen in some markets, but its just as likely that Kraft and Kroenke will go ahead and run their bare bones organizations while the team value continues to rise thanks to the work of the league as a whole. Or some other penny-pinching rich guy buys the team instead (see Fire, Chicago or Crew, Columbus/Austin).
     
  6. footballfantatic

    Mar 27, 2008
    Ontario, California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes you are absolutely correct on the top part. How else will new ownership arrive if the current owners are doing well and do not want to sell? You let the bottom 2 to 4 teams sink until the owners give in or give up. I see more negative sarcastic comments from you than almost anyone all the while adding nothing to the thread. Grow up Clarence and add something or gtfo.
     
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  7. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll add something when something worth responding to seriously gets posted. The obsession some American fans have with punishing 'underperforming' teams is completely backwards towards growing the sport but until we can get past that we'll keep having these stupid discussions.
     
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  8. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My goodness! Grant Wahl's Ambition Rankings may have been ahead of their time!!!!!
     
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  9. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Link to proof that that kind of spending works. And further proof that that kind of spending would be covered by gains in revenues and sponsorships.

    I mean, MLS has been increasing player spending 10% per year every year for at least 5 or 6 years. That's a crazy rate of growth.
     
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  10. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Those teams already get punished. They don't win any trophies.

    Seriously, you realize that in a 24 team league, there's going to be a couple of teams currently in existence that won't win any hardware in the next 50 years. You can't say that the Chicago Cubs and Boston Red Sox had no ambition for a century, it's just that in competitive environments the distribution of championships is never a flat line.

    Nobody backs into a championship. If a team lacks ambition and doesn't spend money wisely, they're not going accidentally win the Supporters Shield. And if you want to bring up something silly that happened early in the league history when things were different, don't bother.
     
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  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But again there's no salary cap, so huge gaps already exist.

    Good idea but I think something like that maybe in place. Isn't there a minimum budget for academy spending, for instance?
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The average non-DP salary is $345,867, up from $138,140 in 2014.
     
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  13. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    MLS ISN'T AMBITITIOUS ENOUGH. IT's A BUNCH OF COOKIE CUTTER, MICKEY MOUSE FRANCHISES!!!!!!!11111111
     
  14. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, there is a team in Orlando...
     
  15. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I often asked, but never got a real reply, what was bad about being a "Mickey Mouse league". Disney is one of the largest, most successful and powerful organizations on the planet.
     
  16. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    What's the mean salary? And how does that compare to 2014?
     
  17. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    The 2012 San Jose Earthquakes.
     
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  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The mean is the average. It was also the average in 2014.
     
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  19. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    You ask any of the players or coaches from that team if they lacked ambition in 2012 and get back to me if you find a single one that says, "No."
     
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  20. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    The owner lacked ambition.
     
  21. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He probably means median. I'm going to guess that the TAM players are moving the average salary up a bit.
     
  22. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    :rolleyes:
     
  23. Egbert Sousé

    Egbert Sousé Member

    NYCFC
    May 25, 2013
    nyc
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is "Lacking ambition" the new "They didn't do it right"?
     
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  24. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    The weren't willing to lose enough money. Despite building a new stadium and having a successful group of players and coaching staff, they didn't win MLS Cup. Obviously the solution was to bring in a couple ultra-expensive players, but not three because Wondo.
     
  25. footballfantatic

    Mar 27, 2008
    Ontario, California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here’s the link: draw people to TV and massively increase your TV revenue. That is the entire gist of my argument. It is a gamble that can be stopped at any time. If the TV and streaming money doesn’t come, then you stop. If the money from media drastically increases, then you keep it going.
     

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