2019 Women's World Cup

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  1. ArsenalMetro

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    Was she the head VAR?

    I'm just going by Wiki, where the VAR list is all men.
     
  2. AndyMead

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    Well I don't recall any women, ever, even more than qualified international refs like Sandra Hunt, getting called up to the Men's World Cup.

    I think if any women ever break through that ceiling, I can see opening the WWC back up to men.

    I believe the move to all women was made in 2015. It might have been 2011. And to be honest, while 2015 saw some of the worst officiating I can recall, I think the refs here are doing a far better job than I saw in Russia last year.
     
  3. AndyMead

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    Well, we saw that in Russia in that the VAR list only listed those who only did VAR. Geiger and Marrufo weren't on the VAR list as they also saw duty on the field. Mariscal was selected as an on-field AR. I don't think any VR1s are ARs. I think all lead VAR refs are centers. But I could be wrong.

    Short answer: No. She was not.
     
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  4. ArsenalMetro

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    I'll rephrase my earlier post then.

    All of the on-field officials are women. There are a bunch of VAR-only men, who often have women on the VAR panel with them.
     
  5. AndyMead

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  6. PTFC in KCMO

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    This is a great video about that game if you have 18 minutes to waste.

     
  7. NashSC

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    #432 NashSC, Jun 12, 2019
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    That wasn't my question.
    I know there is no rule prohibiting women refs from the WC. There isn't even a rule prohibiting them from playing in it.
    It sounds like there is an official rule prohibiting men from ref'ing in the WWC. I find that extremely interesting...that is all.
     
  8. ArsenalMetro

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  9. AndyMead

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    Kathryn Nesbitt (USA) was AVAR1 for ARG/JPN
    Mariscal was AVAR1 for NZL/NED

    Every game so far has had a woman as the AVAR1, with the VAR and AVAR2 being men.

    Mariscal made it onto the field as AR1 for AUS/ITA - the only mostly American crew so far. Koreleva did get on the field as the fourth, however.
     
  10. AndyMead

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    Not a new rule. And I don't know if it is a "rule", but just that starting four years ago they made a "decision" to select only women.

    Regardless of whether it is a rule or not, it is intentional.
     
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  11. CMeszt

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    On the opposite side, my tiny college's D3 school once beat Michigan.

    We played them on our campus quad. In 1891
     
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  12. AndyMead

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    I'm not sure if France has guaranteed the knockout round, but it has to be imminent as having France finish third in Group A and having four other groups having teams with 6 points and better goal differentials is quickly becoming impossible. Germany in Group B is in a similar place. As soon as we get a couple groups where the three way tie at 6 is no longer possible, they'll both be locked in.
     
  13. Beau Dure

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    U. Chicago was a juggernaut circa 1935.
     
  14. GunnerJacket

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    Assuming France and the US top their groups and advance the two will meet in the QFs. Would LOVE to see the US win that match 13-0!
     
  15. CMeszt

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    If they lose, you'll see a million "why the USA's arrogant celebrating lead to their downfall" pieces.
     
  16. KCbus

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    I don’t care about what gender the VARs are... I care that they butchered this.

    There’s no way in hell that’s a penalty. The player got the ball, and caught the opponent on the follow-through. And this isn’t like the one against South Africa, where there was an argument to be made that the player made a secondary motion after the play to deliberately catch the opponent. She played the ball, and someone got cleated.

    It’s getting to the point where I don’t know what defenders are supposed to do any more.
     
  17. ArsenalMetro

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    #442 ArsenalMetro, Jun 12, 2019
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    She went at the ball at a dumb angle, didn't position herself well to clear the ball, and raked the attacker's thigh after she barely made enough contact with the ball to deflect it away from goal.

    It's a penalty and yellow card 100% of the time.

    EDIT: 6 inches another direction and it's a straight red for the French player. Jumping into that challenge two-footed is mind-numbingly stupid.
     
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  18. NashSC

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    The player that got the ball was the offensive player. The player that kicked the opponent was the defender who didn't even come close to making contact with the ball.
    Your comment is incorrect unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying.
    "The player got the ball, and caught the opponent on the follow-through."
    you make it sound as though the defender got the ball and then made contact on the follow through. That isn't what happened.
     
  19. KCbus

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    It’s a penalty and a yellow card 0% of the time. I don’t care about her angle. She played the ball. She kicked the ball. This isn’t a slide tackle from behind where you crush the player and then throw your hands up and say “I got the ball.” This was a routine play.

    What’s she supposed to do? Not try to make solid contact with the ball on the off chance that someone runs into her? This isn’t what VAR is supposed to do.
     
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  20. KCbus

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    The defender got the ball. She didn’t get a lot of it, but she got it. The fact that not a single one of the French player’s teammates were even interested in looking for a call should say something here.
     
  21. NashSC

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    You are talking about France/Norway? Right? I see absolutely no contact with the ball by the defender. You do realize the defender is the one in the white jersey?

     
  22. Yoshou

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    I'm not sure getting the ball is justification for destroying the player tho... It's entirely possible for a player to get the ball first and for it to be a PK....
     
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  23. NashSC

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    I have watched over and over and see no ball contact by the defender.
     
  24. KCbus

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    Yah. I was watching the game, thank you.

    The attacker plays the ball with her right instep in an attempt to send it further into the penalty area. The defender attempts to kick it, and magically, the ball takes off at about a 30 degree angle backward to the attacker’s left, the direction the defender was kicking. I’m going to go out on a limb and say she got something on the ball.
     
  25. NashSC

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    During the actual broadcast they showed it from the other angle and I recall seeing air between the defenders foot and the ball. This youtube clip only shows it from one angle and you can't see definitely whether she touches it or not.
     

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