That's how I'm reading it. There seems to be some joy in imagining violent retribution for this horrible crime the USWNT committed. There have been several posts now suggesting it as an expected consequence. The posts have not in the slightest indicated that the posters in question would find that bad; all imply it would be justified. Why focus more on my "gleeful" than on the "foot stomp" part? I'm really baffled by the priorities here.
I suggest you read the words printed first, then ask for clarification rather than assigning extra intent (projection?) and grabbing that particular strawman and throttling it to death. It might be because, gosh darn it, there's a history of reacting badly to being shown up. It seems that's a long way from "gleeful" and a lot closer to matter-of-fact. Because you're assigning intent when none is expressed, and doing so with the assumption of ill will.
What I learned from the match with Thailand was that Rapinoe and Morgan can and will play ruthless, pitiless, full-tilt soccer for 90 minutes. That's scary for other teams.
Kind of like everyone is doing with the U.S. Women. If the poster I was responding to wants to refute that, they are free to. I'm still stuck on phrases like "foot stomp" and "take it into their own hands" in the context of goal celebrations, and you're stuck on my "gleeful" characterization.
I don't remember that. And, it's kind of lame. But, nothing like the whole team running on the field after the 13th goal. Germany beat Estonia 8-0 yesterday. And, they weren't celebrating those goals. Two other things that have come up that are complete BS. Jill and the ladies saying "if it was men, they wouldn't be criticized." The hell they wouldn't. Don't hide behind "gender/victim" it really cheapens the movement. Second, the ladies gutlessly blaming the newbs. It's not Mewis, or Pugh that anyone is complaining about. Don't throw them under the bus. Let's talk about Morgan counting off her goals, or Rapinoe pirouetting across the field. Choreographed celebration on goal 12-13. It was a ridiculous display by the veterans.
Men's U-20 lost. Men's senior team sucking and on track to get humiliated. "Let's watch the U.S. women kick some butt and enjoy their dominance for a bit", I thought. "It will be nice to enjoy some solidarity with fellow fans as the USWNT go for their repeat"...
I blame the wet blankets policing how our women celebrate their excellence, personally. Edit: Mods, maybe we should have a dedicated thread just to talk about all the minutia of their celebrations and whether they can e.g. balance a book on their head, so we can focus on the analysis of their *play* and *tactics*?
So next time we go up 5 goals, we'll just kick it around among the back 4. Boy, won't that be fun to watch? At least they won't be unduly celebrating. What a load of gas...
I mean, I'm just stunned at this thread. I never imagined coming to this thread after a record-breaking game, and seeing this much moaning about something completely unrelated to their play.
Well, "solidarity" is pretty much went out the window with the women's decision to sh*t on the men's team as a negotiation/PR ploy, and encourage their supporters to do so. I remain a fan of both. I just don't think their celebrations were appropriate under the circumstances. (And, as I said above, I think their excuses/defenses are gutless). The reason it is getting so much play in this thread is that there is absolutely *nothing* else to talk about. Why don't you break down some of the plays, talk about what we learned from the match. Talk about the your topic of choice, rather than complain about what other people want to talk about. After the next match, if there is anything you soccer related to talk about, this all will go away. I will say, I don't know how many neutrals will be at these matches, but you can bet they will be against the U.S. from here on out.
Honestly, I don't know how far any analysis of tactics (I mean, seriously?) or indeed the play can go. Drawing useful soccer conclusions from this seems irresponsible because there effectively was no opponent.
If you don't understand have how having the ability to win the group with a tie, on better goal difference, would give us an advantage going into the Sweden game, I don't really know what to tell you. The US men had a similar advantage in Trinidad which was squandered. I was pointing out this because you don't seem to understand the above.
There's not a whole bunch of psychological warfare that a coach can play to a returning world champion team. But the everybody hates us and is against us card and let's screw them might be one ...
The men had to draw. That's all. The US isn't missing out on the 2nd round, especially when only 2 3rd place teams get eliminated.
I'll admit, I'm not the best source for primary analysis. I would mostly lurk for that to read what others say, and then maybe respond or chime in. Anyway, it's not merely "topic of choice"... it's the topic of the forum And I'm not merely complaining about those posts, I am responding to them, because it's what's here, and it's what I have responses for.
It was shadow soccer. "ok, the right wing will attack, play a bending ball across the back of the defense. On the remote chance the ball makes it through the defense, past the CF, the LW is on the back side for an empty netter. Then she grandstands her way back to the team and celebrates as if this wasn't her 3rd world cup, this wasn't the 12th goal against a hapless opponent. Ok, let's run it."
You asked "why is this what we're talking about?" right? Don't like the song, change the station. Start a new topic.
That's the best description of Rapinoe's goal yet. It was almost an anti-goal. To celebrate that is basically to cheer the ineptitude and exhaustion of a backline that was probably in shock. Yaaay!
That's an excellent idea. Seriously. But, just sayin', this thread will be dead at that point. But, absolutely, break out the celebration discussion as a separate thread.
No, I was asking why so many U.S. fans are being such wet blankets about it. Slightly different question, and of course, a rhetorical one.
Haven't posted in awhile, but here I am to change the subject! I actually think there's a lot to take from this game. First, there have been a lot of close games that we didn't expect this WWC. Chile/Sweden, New Zealand/Netherlands, Argentina/Japan, England/Scotland, Australia/Italy. A big part of this was described by the broadcasters during the games. That is, there has been a lot of possession with no intent. Who cares if you have 100% passing accuracy between your two centerbacks!? The US lost the ball a decent bit in this game. And I say AWESOME! While other teams were so scared to lose the ball that they didn't try anything, the US was happy to TRY to breakdown the defense and risk losing the ball. Yeah, the opposition wasn't the most difficult. But it was clear from the opening whistle that this was a drastically different tactic than all the other "contender" teams in the tournament. This is a strategy that I'm excited to see the US use. I think it will bode well for the rest of the tournament.