2019 Other Teams Thread

Discussion in 'Columbus Crew' started by Kyle Crew, Dec 10, 2018.

  1. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t think we need to be told that. :D
     
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  2. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. Flyer Fan

    Flyer Fan Member+

    Apr 18, 1999
    Columbus, OH
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  4. the_rickler

    the_rickler Member+

    Feb 9, 2013
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
  5. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not a tournament, is a group of Liga MX preseason friendlies to be played in the US. Makes the league look like a joke that they will take teams away from the regular season (which I'm told repeatedly is important) to.... what? Get smashed by top Liga MX teams? Shameless money grab by MLS, USSF, and SUM. Just when you think they can't get more shameless, here ya go...
     
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  6. Flyer Fan

    Flyer Fan Member+

    Apr 18, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    MLS is just going to keep proposing competitions with Mexico until they finally win one.
     
  7. Dr.Fever

    Dr.Fever Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Oct 19, 2018
    I'm not. You want to schedule a scrimmage with us on a training day, that's fine. Otherwise, not interested in providing pre-season training for the league south of us.
     
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  8. Flyer Fan

    Flyer Fan Member+

    Apr 18, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Sorry, I was being sarcastic...
     
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  9. LaMacchia

    LaMacchia Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. KHT_Crew

    KHT_Crew Member+

    Mar 29, 2003
    Queen City, OH
  11. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Call it the McBride rule.
     
  12. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Toronto ALWAYS gets first dibs on US internationals. They will be starting THREE US men's regulars. In case MLS hasn't noticed Moronto is in Canada.

    It's simply mind blowing in its utter ridiculousness
     
  13. KHT_Crew

    KHT_Crew Member+

    Mar 29, 2003
    Queen City, OH
    How else are they going to develop Canadian national team players?
     
  14. TKyle

    TKyle Moderator
    Staff Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 28, 2014
    Nordecke’s Porch
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You’d think that mL$ would try to pull some strings and play Calvinball so that a US National Teamer would, like, actually play for a team in, you know, the USA.
    They certainly would sell more jerseys for one.
     
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  15. Crew Chuck35

    Crew Chuck35 Member+

    Apr 13, 2009
    Gahanna, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Simply mind blowing how Canada has more USMNT players than 90% of MLS.
     
  16. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean Toronto? Because Vancouver and Montreal, combined (off the top of my head), have no US internationals, and hardly any Americans at all, period.

    Toronto has Bradley, Altidore, and Omar. Last time I checked, hardly anyone even wants them playing for the US anymore. So.... what are people bitching about exactly?
     
  17. KHT_Crew

    KHT_Crew Member+

    Mar 29, 2003
    Queen City, OH
    Sirius soccer channel mentioned that Beckham's Inter Miami has offered a 4-year contract to Luis Suarez.
     
  18. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to play Captain Obvious here, but whether a bunch of BigSoccer layabouts are high on the national team value of the players in question is not even remotely the point.

    Rather, those are recognizable names which register with casual fans. You and I would like to see Juan Agudelo or Christian Pulisic competing for the US, but names like Bradley and Altidore are much more useful for selling MLS tickets to Americans.

    Whereas your average Canadian fan has zero interest in US team stars.

    The Canadian teams should get first dibs on all Canadian internationals, every time,every day. Putting them in the allocation order for returning USMNT players makes literally no sense whatsoever.
     
  19. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I'm old enough to remember when Crew fans and MLS fans in general were shitting on Frank de Boer.

    After a 8 game stretch in 28 days where Atlanta got 18 out of an available 24 points Atlanta now sits 2nd in the East, 2 points of first, 2nd in PPG, and has the 4th best goal differential in the league.

    Interesting turnaround...
     
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  20. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Couple things:

    1) how juan agudelo and christian pulisic ended up in the same sentence i have no idea

    2) people complain about mls rules, so now let’s go with absolute blatant roster manipulation

    3) how do you know canadians don’t care about american players? My understanding is that both bradley and altidore are very popular in toronto

    4) i mean, after one game, who is paying to see bradley jog around the field?
     
  21. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto are MLS teams. They belong in the allocation order for any players coming to MLS that are subject to allocation.

    Bill, you’re an incredibly bright guy, but your brain just goes sideways any time the Canadian teams are mentioned. There is no logical reason why the Canadian teams should be excluded from pursuing players that the other 21 teams are allowed to go after.
     
  22. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    The whole point of having an allocation list was to get the most marketable US players in to the "right" markets. Otherwise they could just let them be subject to discovery claims where the team and player make a deal.
     
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  23. Draghignazzo

    Draghignazzo Member+

    Feb 24, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    This doesn't make any sense at all. Exactly what business metrics are used to determine allocation order to ensure the "right markets" are at the top to select returning US players? I'll help you. None.
    The allocation list was created to prevent franchises bidding against each other and driving up player costs for MLS, who pays there bills. Then they tripped over their own system with the DP exception to the allocation rules, and you got stupid inflated prices for Duece, Bradley, and Altidore.
     
  24. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reading comprehension. Its for returning US internationals, and ALL players that left the league with a transfer fee. Omar is both.
     
  25. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two related points here:

    Unless I'm mistaken (and I don't think I am), the allocation mechanism rules used to have an out that said something along the lines of "US national team players of a certain threshold are not subject to the allocation process." A pretty mysterious statement that pretty much allowed MLS to do whatever the hell it wanted to with players like Dempsey, Bradley, etc. I no longer see that line in the roster rules. So, on the surface, anyway, it seems as the league's allocation rules for this kind of player are a little more above board than they used to be. Note that Pulisic - maybe the only USMNT player in the pool right now who's clearly "above a certain threshold" - is on the allocation player list.

    Second, I think it's easy to confuse the allocation process with the discovery process, which still remains as clear as mud. Note the following:

    In other words, any club interested in going after Zlatan had to convince MLS that they realistically could sign him. Now, on the surface (again), this is a way the league keeps low budget teams without a chance in hell is signing big names from using their seven discovery player slots to just claim the rights to players they know other teams will want. But, according the current rules, all that really does is get them $50K in GAM from another club that wants to sign a player (if the team with the player in their discovery list can't sign the player, the team that can pays for the first team $50K in GAM for that player's discovery rights); hardy a king's ransom.

    In reality, this clause allows the league to steer major, foreign signings to the markets they want them to play in.
     

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