PBP: 2019 FIFA U-20 Cup Group Stage: USA vs Qatar 5/30

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  1. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Selfish reasons aside most people do not want to see a rainy world cup.
     
  2. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Less surprising after yesterday's Group A and B results. We need a result today, a draw at lease, or very likely we will be eliminated.

    Also, we're playing every third day, not every other day, which makes a significant difference (in rest and recovery). And if we play France (or Senegal) next, we will have one more day of rest than they have.
     
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  3. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    And for Ledezma as well or someone will try to sneak in a toddler next time.
     
  4. AngelaMerkin

    AngelaMerkin Member+

    Dec 2, 2005
    Do I want to look at it, no. Would i like the US to fluke through to a semi-final? yes.

    And, honestly, I want every element of the 2022 world cup to be a complete mess. I'm disgusted with myself that i'll watch it, just like in 2018. Celebration of human rights abuses needs to stop and I hate that by watching i'm somewhat complicit.
     
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  5. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    I'm getting scared. Qatar team is full of mudders.
     
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  6. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I use the Xfinity go app and it works great. Try that.
     
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  7. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
    It will not rain a lot by most standards. It will rain a lot for Qatar, which is maybe 3 days total over the course of the tournament. This last December and January it rained twice.

    The total lack of rain is one of the eerie things about living in that part of the world.
     
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  8. SteelyTom

    SteelyTom Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    Boston, MA USA
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Qatar should be no problem, it's basically like Trinidad and Tobago.
     
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  9. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    :eek:
     
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  10. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    I was thinking that, and - similarly - we only need a draw to advance. :)
     
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  11. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well a less-talented team might play best in an open game....

    the bunker in strategy by a lesser team really only works rarely in the end. none of the top teams bunker in despite it being a strategy they all could use......

    if the success rate of "playing open" was 0% and the bunker strategy was 5%...then it would be stupid to play open....but playing open does not have 0% success rate - (we don't know what it is b/c we never try it vs good teams)

    but if the "play open" strategy is > 0%.....I think especially in youth tourneys but in senior games as well - it is the preferable option for a number of reasons.

    One, you are building a team and legacy that continues for the next generation. bottom line the teams who "play open" are the better teams - if you insist as a country that that is how you will play at all levels...all of the players will adjust and develop towards that style. vice versa for the bunke style...the anti-soccer style.eventually you will get there as a program....you can already see it percolating up to the u20 level...the us is the superior possession team vs almost every opponent they play.

    two, maybe the gap in talent is not enough to warrant a conservative approach....maybe a conservative approach actually decreases chances of success...you cannot win without scoring...it shrinks the margin of error oftentimes.

    three scoring is hard. playing open is not the same as surrendering.

    four you are reinforcing defeatism in your players by adopting a submissive approach...and especially at youth levels that is defeatist. why re-teach inferiority to players who are "blank slates"? teach them the "right way" and it just might stick.

    5, it is very hard to always know how games will go before they play out. managers mess up their assessments and lineups all the time...i'd rather go for the positive than the negative miss. i think a reason the "good teams" are good....is b/c they think they are good and strategize without fear....they take up aggressive and proactive strategies...winning approaches....and so they win.

    just look at the 2 us games so far....

    first game 2 dmids - 1 striker : loss

    next 1 dmid, more attackers - win....

    but to his specific point - if qatar knows they need to make up a lot of goals AND win to have ANY chance of advancing...they MUST play open to have any chance...

    choosing to not be embarrassed but guarantee elimination is hard to justify imo.
     
  12. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I have Prime, I just checked and see no listings for FS2 or the U 20 World Cup at the Amazon website.
     
  13. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    You're cutting this awfully close, Lloyd.
     
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  14. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think I'm stuck with SD. Even when I access the XFINITY website on my computer I can't watch in HD because they don't offer it in HD on my XFINITY channels. I don't see how accessing it on the TV with the fire stick would change that. I only have 50 HD channels but not that one.
     
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  15. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    FWIW, if South Korea at least ties an Argentina team which may not put its best foot forward, and Panama beats Saudi Arabia, the US would need at least a tie to advance. (A tie would definitely be enough, as one of Ecuador, South Korea, or Panama would fail to advance along with the Group C third place team).

    (EDIT: A loss to Qatar would also put us through if we finished 2nd, because Nigeria lost to Ukraine by at least one more goal than us, depending on total goals scored).
     
  16. USSoccerNova

    USSoccerNova Member+

    Sep 28, 2005
    Anyone who wants to watch in HD can sign up for a free trial of YouTubeTV. I have cable, but I use it when I am traveling and the quality always seems good assuming you have access to a solid Internet connection. Seems like they generally stream in HD quality for their channels (1080p at 30fps or 720p at 60fps). They also have apps for all the major streaming media players (Apple TV, Roku, Chromecast), smart TVs and Android/IOS. Good luck!

    https://tv.youtube.com/welcome/
     
  17. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The U.S. team could also get through with a loss to Qatar - although Honduras getting blown out to Norway doesn't help
     
  18. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    #143 Tigerpunk, May 30, 2019
    Last edited: May 30, 2019
    Assuming Norway wins by 5 (or really by 4), any US loss would put them ahead of us. To go through with a 1 goal loss to Qater would need Panama not to win (but also not to lose by 3 or more) AND Korea to lose (any loss).

    Or in the alternative, for Nigeria to lose by either 2 more goals than we do or by 1 more goal than we do with us scoring more goals in our game.

    EDIT: (Welp on Norway.)
     
  19. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Yeah, I'm running the scenarios in my head. A tie means automatic advancement since we'd finish ahead of the 3rd place team in group C or B. Advancement would be up in the air with a loss until tomorrow, but it seems fairly unlikely especially with Norway running up the score.
     
  20. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    To be fair, Korea probably SHOULD lose to Argentina. And Panama not beating Saudi Arabia is probably a 50/50 proposition. I'd say our odds of going through with a 1 goal loss are still 25-33% or so.
     
  21. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    The team that losing to Qatar shouldn't go through.
     
  22. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    Maybe but Qatar lost to Ukraine by the same differential we did, and they're kids, and 4 third place teams have to go, so who knows.
     
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  23. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I watched part of both Qatar games. They are undisciplined, and have huge holes in their team, and their captain is out. A team that can't exploit that side... well... they should be getting a new coach.
     
  24. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Obvious candidates for rotation ...

    Playing with a yellow card

    Mendez
    Durkin
    de la Fuente
    Gloster

    Anyone who's still carrying a knock.

    Richards?
    Anyone else?

    Anyone who's played two full games

    Scott
    Dest
    Keita
    Durkin
    Pomykal
     
  25. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh no.
     
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