England Under 21 Discussions Thread #7

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  1. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    This is the same thing that kept Pearce in the role for so long. The excuse being he is bringing players through to the seniors and helping with the process of getting them ready to step up. It basically means anyone can do the role.

    Anyone who has watched qualifying will be cringing to see they have already extended his contract. It makes zero sense. Nobody will be interested in him. If the team crashes out in embarrassing fashion it becomes very hard to fire him.
     
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  2. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    A shame Dan Ashworth couldn't find a job for him at Brighton
     
  3. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The big flaw with this line of thinking is that it gives too much credit to the U21 coach and not nearly enough to the player or his club, which is where the real work is being done.
     
  4. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    But the FA have never been shy in taking credit for everyone else's work.
     
  5. Sam1010

    Sam1010 Member

    Charlton
    England
    Apr 10, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I really think the golden summer has done more harm than good, It's allowed the FA to get complacent in regards to coaching, luckily the talent is still there.
     
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  6. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    It’s idiotic and makes it almost impossible to lose the role. You don’t really have to put any thought into squad selection. Style of play can be lacking in areas and underwhelming. The demands from the FA are nothing more than pick a squad and don’t say anything remotely controversial. I’m still not sure Pearce would have left the role if he hadn’t turned on the players in the interviews after his last U21 finals in charge.
     
  7. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I'm pissed off at the Boothroyd news, but then again he could change his strategy come the finals and we play well, but I highly doubt that.

    I know nobody has said anything, but I bet if you had a private conversation with the players they would have negative things to say about him. Athletes aren't dumb and don't think like machines. They all have opinions, especially about their coaches.
     
  8. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
  9. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    No Tuanzebe??
     
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  10. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    That would be my only major grumble. Glad to see Mount in there again though.

    With the addition of Gibbs White, that's a very attack heavy midfield. Personally, I'd have brought in Skipp to balance it out.

    Lookman, Davies and Walker-Peters miss out.
     
  11. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Like that squad a lot
     
  12. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Is Tuanzebe really much if at all better than the other centre backs? I don't see much that suggests he's any better than those in the squad.

    The biggest surprise to me is no Lookman, but he can't really have any complaints given the competition and the non-season he's just had.
     
  13. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Lookman should be in there..wouldnt be surprised if he defects to nigeria now
     
  14. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    Not a bad squad, though with Choudhury is the only ball-winning midfielder, I'm afraid the likes of Dowell will play defensive midfielder again.
     
  15. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Instead of who though?
     
  16. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Instead of solanke or gibbs white
     
  17. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    The squad offers a lot more balance than the past. So that is a positive.

    I still would pick KWP over Kenny every time but Boothroyd obviously has a preference with Kenny as a squad member.

    I don’t care where Maitland-Nile’s is playing at club level he’s one of our few players to be starting enough PL games. He can play the more defensive midfield role and other roles. It’s absurd that he’s not in the squad. We would have a good balance in the CM area if he was in there. With say Choudury starting we don’t even have a DM to bring off the bench if it’s required, which is ridiculous.

    I find it harsh on Lookman. It’s not as if Gray and Nelson have had amazing seasons and Nelson can come back again.

    Those would be my gripes.
     
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  18. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Solanke is a bit lucky to be included to be fair.
     
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  19. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Solanke is our best finisher. Can’t see how he can be dropped. I think the three forward roles were undroppable.

    Tuanzebe has been unlucky but that position has been quite strong. Annoyingly he just didn’t really get a chance to prove his worth.
     
  20. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Barnes and Gray have both had better seasons than Lookman. Nelson’s has been a bit stop-start but Boothroyd obviously prefers him to Lookman. It’s hard to argue with that choice.
     
  21. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    I think Tuanzebe is better than Kosra and Clarke-Salter but they’re more embedded in the squad, so it’s not a straight forward choice.

    I don’t begrudge Solanke being in the squad at all, but he’s lucky in that his poor season hasn’t cost him as it might of done had say Brewster not been injured.
     
  22. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I would argue it. Lookman was one of our best players at the U20 WC. He offers more on the ball than others included. Saying that the competition for the roles is strong. I think Gray being able to play both sides has got him in.
     
  23. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Gray has been poor to middling this season, probably benefiting from being one of the two who is playing semi regularly
     
  24. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Can't believe they couldn't find a way to get Reece James in the squad, he'll play more PL football than most players in that squad next season
     
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  25. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    Can't think of a stronger England u21 squad. Could have done with Maitland Niles in midfield and I think Lookman was our best option on the wing. Other than that, I have no complaints, looking forward to it.
     
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