The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Make that three of us.
     
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  2. :(
    Excelsior Rotterdam, the club at the doorstep of my Alma Mater the Erasmus University, relegated.
     
  3. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they ever add a good milkshake to their menu, it's over.
     
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  4. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's aces ... I just have it in the "DINER" category of burgers, which resides separately from "fast food" burgers.
     
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  5. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. Leicester City next years champions! Robben seems to be on his way to them.
     
  7. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  8. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]

    Robben won't be enough to bring them another title, even IF he manages to stay healthy and play most of the 38 game season. That's a HUGE if too.
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bury players have written an open letter speaking for help. They haven't been paid in 12 weeks despite winning automatic promotion.
     
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  10. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    BUT GUYS

    this doesn't happen with pro/rel ...
     
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  11. USRufnex

    USRufnex Red Card

    Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
    United States
    Jul 15, 2000
    Tulsa, OK
    Club:
    --other--
  12. Ever heared of the missing link in a team?
     
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  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is what happens with pro-rel...

    Notts County and their owner, both crippled by debt to the point where a normal business would go under, are about to get bailed out by the owners of Nandos, home of the legendary Portuguese flame-grilled PERi-PERi chicken.
     
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  14. USRufnex

    USRufnex Red Card

    Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
    United States
    Jul 15, 2000
    Tulsa, OK
    Club:
    --other--
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Man, c'mon. Notts County's woes are not the result of relegation.
     
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  16. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Notice how its the 'losers' that complain, hmmm I wonder why?? At the end of the day to have the 'winners' you HAVE TO HAVE losers! There IS PLENTY of clubs ready to replace Notts County, until clubs go down and are NOT replaced by 'winners' there is nothing wrong with pro/rel, you can see just how much it means, and that is why the leagues with pro/rel are soooo much more thrilling than the sterilised atmosphere of closed leagues. My club has been relegated twice, I KNOW the pain, my club has been promoted twice, I KNOW the joy - fabulous stuff.
     
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  17. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof

    Did you actually read the article?
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I did! And I am curious as to why @jaykoz3 thought it was relevant to this thread in particular, because that is absolutely not the takeaway I got from it.
     
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  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That in a pro-rel system “it is not outlandish to worry that 75 per cent of clubs in the bottom two divisions have zero long-term future in their current form.”?

    Yet you have repeatedly blamed the "instability" of USL on the absence of pro-rel.
     
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  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually I disagree somewhat with the conclusion about "digitisation" driving fans to the bigger teams in a season when when clubs like Lincoln, Mansfield, Notts and Tranmere are seeing record attendances in the fourth tier. England may up like Italy where fans support both a "glamor" club and a local club.
     
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  21. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Serious question--do you think Leicester are one (key) player away from being a top team?
     
  22. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've said this before, but I'll say it again: This argument is presented as a full-throated defense of pro/rel but the bolded part, IMHO, is actually part of the problem.

    It's one thing to say that some teams will have to lose on the field. But the idea that clubs have to lose--that fans have to risk losing their team, that trainers and front office staff have to risk losing their livelihood--all in the name of "sporting merit" strikes me as a very odd defense. Particularly coming from people who are often ostensibly club-over-league.
     
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  23. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Indeed. From what I've seen, there are places where lower-league football is doing great and others where it's in deep trouble. Sometimes in the same country.
     
  24. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Tielemans would be a more important signing than Robben.

    Given the addition of Tielemans and no-one leaving then I can see the top 6 being close next year.

    Robben would be helpful for some games but would really help with the young wingers.
     
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  25. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which illustrates another point I've made--pro/rel only works if you keep the top division from getting too big. Which is why I think the horse is out of the barn here; in order to have a truly national pro/rel pyramid including the professional game here, MLS will need to be downsized. That's a lot of investment which would be diminished in value.
     
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