News: 40 Man Provisional Roster For The 2019 CONCACAF Gold Cup

Green's absence from the 40 roster is odd given that he finished the year quite strong with 3Gs and 1 A in his last 11 matches. He also hit the post in his last match. His spot kicks have become precise and very dangerous with both goals in the last match coming from pinpoint service to players in dangerous areas in the box.

No Hamid, Green(23), Canouse(23), or Acosta(23) in the US top 40!!!

 

Donovan/Dolo/Dempsey at the 2010
WC.

Any of us would take that three for a game that counted this week over the three wonder kids.

The kids may out do them but as far as USMNT credit, they have not done it yet.

 

If viewed as a Camp Cupcake for some European based players then it is just that.

Having another concurrent U-23 camp just seems like a built-in excuse to again have Omar over CCV, Lovitz over Robinson, Ramirez over Sargent, etc. We will see as the three U23s I listed, that should be at the Gold Cup, will probably not be available for qualifying. Kreis sounds like he understands that problem and hopefully he just trains with players he knows he can get. Would be a waste of time to build a team of guys that won't be released.

But USSF might know something we can't, the Olympic qualifying will be in a FIFA window.

 

But, could Dolo play "underlapping right fullback"?

 

I wouldn't. I'd take the three players that have played at a higher club level, regularly, by the age of 21. Which is what we're comparing, because again, they are 21 or under and have 10 caps.

 

I've wondered about his absence from Berhalter's rosters too. Wasn't there something in March where his club posted on social media that he was called up, and then he wasn't? I didn't watch any of his games this season, but it seemed like after being benched, he came back and was a starter for the last several months of the season. Seems like that should at least get him an invite to this U-23 camp...

 

I dont know if they were recruiting college players, but american players were going from college to euro clubs in the 90s. Most of the moves were players on the national team. Ramos, Wynalda, Harkes and Sommer went abroad before the 94 WC. McBride and Reyna were just of many who went abroad after the 94 WC. The 2002 team was the most talented and "complete" team we have had, but I wouldnt call them trailblazers. The guys that came before them are the ones that paved the way and everything opened up in 1994. Unfortunately, most of them were brought back home in 1996.

Pulisic is the big pioneer in all this. Some of it being due to the talent that is around now. O'brien could have been the inspiration if not for injuries, but not clear there were enough talented players to follow. If you listen to interviews with Mckennie, adams, sargent, etc, they all talk about how Pulisic's success was a part of their desire to go abroad.

 

Not me. I'd take CP, WM, and TA now. I think CP is already the most talented player we have ever had and very strong mentally like Dempsey. The other two are versatile workhorses, but would take them in the center of the field together over any other group, including the one you put out.

 

Really, this week, for the USA? You would take the kids vs my 2010 trio in 2010 shape?

I have seen those three deliver in big games.

 

your last point contradicts the first- its been a very, VERY slow fall.

people complain about agudelo getting chances with his random 3 caps every couple of years but bobby wood has been trotted out for at least four years of utter mediocrity with the occasional pk. i get that there hasnt been overwhelming comp but its crazy how long the nats have propped him up.

hes just a likable dude i guess- i like him- but as a player there hasnt been anything to like for literally years.

 

I really like the idea of this pre-camp and probably the first group of players I am generally on board with. There were a couple of players left off and some of the younger ones seemed funny to me at first but the last cycles u20 group was a bit limited. I still dont understand why Ream and Gonzalez are there. If it is leadership, I dont see Gonzo as our guy and with Miazga, CCV, and Robinson in the group, I would think we need more leadership further up the pitch. Nice to see them give Hyndman a shot to show what he can do. I hope they know he isnt eligible for the u23s.

I question if this will come together well for the GC, but think it could longer term. Just happy that between the 40 man preliminary roster and the 10ish additions to this camp, most players in our pool are finally getting into camp.

The initial group will include senior National Team players who are eligible for the 2019 Concacaf Gold Cup along with a number of U-23 internationals who are getting ready for their own training camp to be held from June 10-16 in Salt Lake City.

Cameron Carter-Vickers (Tottenham Hotspur/ENG; 7/0),
Marlon Fossey (Fulham/ENG; 0/0),
Omar Gonzalez (Atlas/MEX; 49/3),
Andrew Gutman (Charlotte independence; 0/0),
Matt Miazga(Chelsea/ENG; 12/1),
Tim Ream (Fulham; 28/1),
Antonee Robinson (Everton/ENG; 6/0)
Duane Holmes (Derby County/ENG; 0/0),
Jonathan Amon (Nordsjælland/DEN; 1/0),
Joe Gyau (Duisburg/GER; 2/0),
Josh Sargent (Werder Bremen/GER; 6/2);

JT Marcinkowski (San Jose Earthquakes; 0/0),
Andrew Thomas (Stanford; 0/0),
Justin Vom Steeg (LA Galaxy; 0/0),
Kyle Duncan (New York Red Bulls; 0/0),
Emerson Hyndman (Bournemouth/ENG; 2/0),
Keaton Parks (New York City FC; 1/0),
Eryk Williamson (Portland Timbers; 0/0)
Luca de la Torre (Fulham/ENG; 1/0),
Josh Perez (LAFC; 0/0),
Haji Wright (Schalke/GER; 0/0)

 

Absolutely. It seems that people remember 2010 for the late Algeria goal. I dont think the side was that convincing and was very inconsistent.

The kids have delivered against who they have gotten to face. They are all mentally tough and consistently put in strong performances in the bundesliga.

 

Dolo was doing that in the Bundesliga when it was actually a good league. Stop it.

 

I can't quote the statistics but I'm fairly sure that the Bundesliga is as good or better today than it was when Dolo was playing. Not to pooh pooh Dolo, by any means.

 

Agree about Saief and Nova. Ebobisee isn’t NT quality yet. He looked like he was heading that direction at the end of last season, but hasn’t been as good this season. He’s missed opportunities he should have put away or put on target.

 

He also scored a fantastic, and pretty rare flying header a few weeks ago. But, he's still not ready for the big show. He's got serious competition now for minutes, and seems to relish the opportunity. We'll see if he steps up. His coach definitely won't shy away from benching him if he's not getting the production coach wants.

 

It's impossible to compare the past to the present. Had Pele lived 30 years after, he wouldn't have been stuck in Santos his whole career (or almost ). He'd have been with Real Madrid when turning 18.

So now clubs in Europe are taking Yanks a bit more seriously, and the American market a lot more seriously. Plus people overall are getting more used to the idea of having their club composed mostly of players who never lived in that city before (there was a time in football when, to represent your country in the NT, you were expected to belong to the ethnic majority in that country, back when the word "nation" was used interchangeably with "race").

So it's impossible to compare. That we have more players than ever in top leagues in Europe is in part due to the improvement of our reputation and program, but also in part due to the changes of the entire gestalt of society in the last 30 years.

 

I'd chalk it up mostly to the exponential improvement in our development system from when it consisted of .......... Bradenton.

MLS academies and private clubs are starting to turn out talent in numbers that eclipse what we've ever seen before.

The top of the pyramid is not (yet) better than it has been in the past, but the base is sooooo much more broad. It will be really interesting to see what the next 6 years or so turn out. It could be a huge change in the overall level of our talent pool. Even if the U-XX teams aren't winning, there are tons of guys that we haven't yet heard of developing.

 

i dont think its past vs present- the time component here is that the kids havent had time to prove or disprove if theyre "better".

and club vs country is also a very tenuous comparison. in terms of club success you cant even lump that together. theres domestic and euro comp experience/success.

for the "old" guys some combo of mcbride/dempsey/howard, in their league play would be pretty strong right? its hard to make a case for the kids there, but you go back to they havent had the time yet.

in euro play a trio of beasley/o'brien/reyna are far beyond the kids. you can compare pulisic individually to beasley/o'brien (reyna i have just for participation tbh), but mckennie and adams literally have 2, 3 games between them? so far, obviously.

i think pulisic and adams are going to blow past, on paper, anything the older guys have done with their clubs (both league and euro play), but i think saying they already have is questionable.

international play though the last three on the roster in 98 have accomplished more than the kids. theres nothing other than a vague "pulisic is just 'better' somehow" argument.

and i mean...look at the forum were on. i want the kids to kill it in their club career but if they never get past, say, the round of 16 in a world cup theyre never going to be as "good" (much less better) to me than a mcbride or a donovan.

i dont think its that we cant compare players now to players back then- we cant compare them until the players now are done.

 

I'm taking the whole body of work into account. 2010ers had beat Spain, had won Gold Cups and started in 2--3 World Cups already. Clint had kept Fulham up etc..

 

Given the combined camp concept and broad pool, I think anyone not invited to this camp is either:

• injured
• declined to attend
• viewed as not useful by Berhalter

 

I thought we were talking about for "a game that counted this week". I dont pick players based on their career resumes for that but based on their talent and form. I also include potential a little bit as I am focused on the long improvement of the program.

I think that matching them up is the easiest way to assess. The toughest one to compare is mckennie to Dempsey. Different players. I'd probably take Dempsey, but would note mckennie gives more versatility, work rate, and over all defensive help. Adam's vs Cherundolo. If you just match them up as right back I'd probably give the edge to steady Cherundolo, but I wouldnt play Adam's wide or in some silly hybrid role. He is my #6 who covers tons of ground, breaks up plays in the center of the park and also supports the outside backs. I take CP hands down over LD. He is just a a more consistent and more talented player. He has been successful in everything he has done in his career, while LD had plenty failures. CP carried the team in 2017 in a way LD rarely did.

I think the young three give up a bit offensively, but pick up a ton on the defensive side of the ball.

 

I gues "top leagues" means a few random appearances in the Premier League two cycles ago and "Europe" means "England". Same old BS, half -truths, ridiculous player evaluations and a total lack of logic.

 

I'm a big believer in the global soccer meritocracy but I disagree that any of the following three declarations made are correct about Lichaj:

1. playing his entire career in top leagues in Europe,
2. who has played fantastic for the USMNT; and
3. should probably be captain.

 

The Lichaj fanatics use to bug me. I still don't understand them, but now they just make me smile.