Das Reboot and the Road to UEFA Nations League & EC2020

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Ger90, Jun 27, 2018.

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Seriously how does Draxler keep getting picked?
     
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  2. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Why are Draxler and Hector included? And why only 22 players?
     
  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    seriously is Volland blacklisted?

    It's pretty much the same same players as usual, this coach always picks the same players, doesn't care at all about form either. He likely only called up 22 because #23 is Kroos who has knee issues.

    Hector doesn't deserve it but at least he's in 1BL next season better than 2BL.
     
  4. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #4054 Alex C, May 22, 2019
    Last edited: May 22, 2019
    Says a lot for someone like Volland when not only is Draxler called up ahead of him, but even when there is a free space in the squad Low still doesn't call him up.

    Also why are Hector and Kehrer there and Da Costa not? He has far out performed both this season.

    You could probably pick the squad for the EC now, as irregardless of form Low will pick his favourites.
     
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  5. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What an absolute joke
     
  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Low's favoritism is still there even with his axing of Muller, Hummels and Boa, lol.

    no da Costa is why I don't think Low is the right coach for the future, the growing number of German duals and we have a coach that always calls the same players and ignore others. Those players are more likely to jump ship than wait forever for a call up.

    at this point Volland seems blacklisted like Kruse.
     
  7. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hands down, Volland is not NT material.
     
  8. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I do understand the exclusion of Volland as a measure of a, he was given enough chances to prove himself at the NT and didnt impress and b, he is more or less the same player type as Werner.

    Nothing unheard of as for instance Burgsmüller or Martin Max regularly scored up to 15-20 goals in Bundesliga but didnt make more than 3 or 1 NT appearances.
     
  9. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It would be understandable if there were a plethora of striking options getting a shot instead, but the fact is there aren't and so surely Volland's form would merit at least another chance, particularly when there is a free space in the squad?

    Also sometimes players mature/develop at a later age so to permanently exclude Volland based on his NT efforts a few years ago seems short sighted.
     
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  10. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Löw obviously does not intend to use Volland going forward. So instead of throwing good money after bad he uses the qualifiers against minnows as practice matches for providing the youth with the playing time needed. Thats why. I dont even think he doesnt rate Volland, he just thinks this is the more imporant move to make long-term. In this sense it is not imporant if Gnabry, Sane, Havertz are what we would consider classical strikers, it's more important to make world class players out of our various wingers until it does not matter anymore what incarnate human pole is playing in the middle. Maybe some central striker talent turns up by itself in 2-4 years time, we dont know.

    All Löw does is basically a bet on the future. Thats also why he threw the elder Munich players out
     
  11. dips82

    dips82 Member+

    Oct 11, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The moment I saw Draxler, Kehrer and Hector in the squad my hair started burning...disgusting!!
     
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  12. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The player Im missing is Danny da Costa actually. Dude went into a Europa league semi after all. But we're stacked with RB talent I guess
     
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  13. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Lmao this defence looks on paper pretty underwhelming :thumbsdown:
    I mean no Max but Hector says it all
     
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  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Max should go play for Poland and da Costa for Angola since Low is likely to only call them up based on mass injuries.

    these cbs are scary tbh, where's the experience? Nothing wrong with Tah, Stark and Sule but none of them seem anywhere near prime Boa and Hummels. Although Sule is good the other 2 lack International experience, Tah playing CL next season is good but Stark not playing Europe is an issue.

    even if Rudiger was fit, I don't really trust him....

    looks like we will continue to see Germany struggle in the back against better teams.
     
  16. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes but you gain experience by playing, hummels didn't buy experience lol
     
  17. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hummels also had years and years of CL experience before becoming relevant NT player, that's the difference. Outside of Sule we didn't have any CL CB.

    and besides that not every CB Low calls is even trustworthy, point blank.
     
  18. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Rudiger is a quality center back, some of the worse hammering of the season have occurred for Chelsea when rudiger not playing
     
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  19. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Chelsea will be playing in champions league next season and I presume rudiger will be a big part, and if you look at it this season in champions league bar Liverpool most defences have conceded alot, that includes spurs, so really hardly any defences have covered them selves in glory, so I guess champions league might not be the ideal benchmark for quality defending
     
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  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    CL is more about the experience, there is a reason Low always says he wants CL or EL players for the NT (prefers CL) as it's better prep/experience for the NT. If all you play is domestic you won't really grow, gotta play vs the best clubs and players in Europe (which is pretty much the world since all the best flock there).

    I like Stark but he really lacks International experience and Hertha ain't making any Europe next season which is the Euro 2020 season.

    and we need to stop this stupid Ginter or Kehrer at RB too. RB should be Klostermann and Kimmich or call up da Costa.
     
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  21. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Completely agree with you regarding kherer draxler ginter, why on earth does he keep on selecting them
     
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  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I've always said Draxler will keep being selected because we lack Wing depth. It's why it's a shame that Younes spent vast majority of the season injured and did well enough for the NT in limited game time too. Also did well in Serie A after he came back too. After Younes or Bellarabi we pretty much need youth wingers to breakthrough.

    feels the same with Kehrer and Ginter we kind of do lack cb options with Boa, Hummels, Howedes, Mustafi no longer part of the team. Kehrer needs to show consistency and should have been with U21 (still eligible) instead of senior NT. But needs to be used as cb.

    sometimes I feel like CM is the only stacked position in Germany, when it comes to already pros with LB not too bad.....
    RB ain't too bad either between Klostermann, Kimmich and da Costa.

    but GK (take out, Neuer/ter Stegen.....yikes), CB, DM, Wings, Striker not as great especially if key important players get injured, lack of depth.:cautious:
     
  23. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    for cbs we need guys like Torunarigha (U21) and Kempf to stay fit, instead of being injury prone. Also Kempf is at risk of relegation although he's been reported to have other 1BL interest.
     
  24. BenjiBo

    BenjiBo Red Card

    Villarreal CF
    Spain
    May 8, 2019
    San Jose, CA
    Wasn’t Havertz mainly used as a winger/inside forward for Leverkusen this season? Many time I watched him play in the 2nd half of the season, he was used as right winger and was always a scoring threat; Volland is also a winger when Alario was used in the starting lineup? Reus plays as “AM” this season , but he is mainly active on the left flank throughout the matches

    It’s lucky to have Ter Stegen, Neuer, Leno as GK options. All starting for European top teams, already one of the luckiest nations in terms of GK production, the young Gk from Schalke is very promising too ; Leno is in top form as well.

    Regarding CB, Antonio Rudiger played exceptionally well for Chelsea and is highly rated by their fans in general. This is a generation with not too many good CBs, and believe it or not Rudiger is probably a top 5 centre back in EPL nowadays. Van Dijk, Laporte, Alderwerld, Rudiger and Vertongen. Should give Rudiger more playing time instead of Hummels blocking his way. Or else by the time Rudiger starts for the National team, he will be 28,29.. probably too old. Let N.Sule and Rudiger develop further isn’t a bad thing.

    I have no idea why Emre Can isn’t considered as DM option. A starter for Juventus isn’t good enough? he is rated by Allegri, can’t be too bad

    Gotze, Kruse and Volland are good strikers in the Bundesliga? Two strikers are enough for two games, especially they are playing with one centre forward only
     
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  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    the point about wingers is that we only have like 5 options (not counting Draxler) which includes an aging and injury prone Reus, it's why Draxler is always called up, even if he's shit. But what happens if Gnabry or Sane miss out on the Euro due to injury. That's the point about depth, we aren't really that deep in Wings. And Gnabry had injury issues throughout the season and let's not forget Gnabry missed the 2018 WC due to being injured to begin with.

    Neuer is at the end of the road and Leno has rarely impressed for Germany, so far Trapp has played better for Germany although even him question marks. Nubel is just starting to establish himself, he needs more consistency and experience.

    Rudiger isn't always convincing for Germany regardless of what he does at Chelsea. So many question marks when he plays for us. Needs a ton of consistency, not sure I trust him fully. But yeah playing him more is key but once again he's out for the 2 matches in June which doesn't help, we are now a year from the Euro too and no consistent CB pair.....

    Can has tons of injury issues over the season and I believe that he hit out at Low at some point too. I don't think we'll see him for awhile.

    Kruse is essentially blacklisted by Low, Volland seems to not be trusted either. Gotze sucks as a false 9, he's better elsewhere. That's the point, a few options is once again lacking depth.

    funny thing about Germany and CFs is that we lack real options (also because Low himself dismisses Volland and Kruse) that any CF that really impresses and does amazingly in 1BL is likely to get a call up. Which is essentially the case for those 96-onwards strikers. The faster they breakthrough 1BL and the faster the take off the faster they will get senior NT call up.
     

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