Friendly: Colombia vs. South Korea (Tuesday 3/26/19)

Discussion in 'Colombian National Team' started by Furnaccio, Mar 22, 2019.

  1. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Montero is really good and without doubt would be the guy......but most probably is that he will be suspended for at least a year (similar case to paolo guerrero)
     
  2. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Arboleda is young, sounds like he had a howler but goalies are the position that tend to develop the latest, he probably isn't ready for the NT yet but you can imagine there may be a lot of nerves playing with the big boys, hopefully he learns from it and gets better.

    We learn more from a loss like this then we do from just rolling out the best team possible, we really need Fabra to get healthy, past that we should probably be playing Lerma at right back if Arias and Cuadrado are out. Sounds like Diaz is the real deal which is great, I really wish Duvan got to start with James and more creativity around him for more time in one of the friendlies. Either way hopefully the coach got valuable info on how he wants to play, our 5 still seems to be a problem. hopefully Uribe can get back to rhythm there.
     
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  3. Jace

    Jace Member

    Oct 19, 2014
    Diaz was very good. Earned his spot on the copa america roster.

    Orejuela and Borja were solid. In spots where we've been thin at, those two looked competent, which is more than I can say about past players we've tried when Arias and Fabra have been injured.

    Duvan and Morelos were really quiet, but I thought they were hampered by not having James out there. This game definitely showed where we miss Quintero. And it also may have gotten Cardona back on the roster (depending on if he was left of due to more than what happened last time we faced Korea). Uribe, at least in this one game, didnt do enough on the offensive side to show he can play in that role if James isnt available.
     
  4. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Exactly!!!!

    Jeison doesnt play but gets called then he announcers are like wow.... he is out of form and no where near just 1st copa America form. If Tesillo didn’t get minutes think only player who didn’t maybe don’t call him again.

    One thing to not get minutes if a coach calls 30 guys but he only called 20 field players.

    Hopefully a few players get dropped.

    Morelos - enough let him go to a better league and he is one for the future. But isn’t ready for the SNT maybe the olympics

    Cuellar - has had a few shots and been bad. Even as a sub not good enough especially with Duque, Campuzano and Cantillo deserving shots

    All the wingbacks..... both RBs much better in the 2nd half but if without Arias and Fabra why not play with 3 in the back instead of having guys who can’t cross, pass or defend? Just because we have always played 4 in the back

    Arboleda - honestly annoying that even tho he has been awful this season and basically said he wouldn’t play for his club anymore the coach called him then started him over a goalie who won the league with tolima who is also young.

    Tesillo/Murillo - what did Bernardo say to not get called? Did he say he hates black people or he doesn’t want to play for us? I just don’t get how these two assholes keeps getting called over Bernardo
     
  5. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Duque and campuzano doesnt deserve shots based in this season
     
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  6. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    -- Morelos didn't do anything to pull away from the pack - Borre/Borja should hopefully be on the radar for the CA.

    -- we don't have 3 CB's to play a 3 CB backline - that would mean we need an additional 2 off the bench - the depth is not there and Mina is injury prone. believe me - i have always wanted to try out a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3; but i dont think it's going to happen. Brazil did it in the 2002 WC (3-5-2), but they had Cafu and Roberto Carlos and Belgium had a great run 18WC with their 3-4-3. i think you need to have all the right players to really make it work.

    -- agree about Bernardo - he should be in next call up. i dont see the harm in giving him minutes.

    -- jeison, he has zero form/fitness with Barca. i dont think he even played in their last copa del rey game.

    -- if Arboleda is our 3rd string GK - does that mean there 15+ other GK's in the Colombian league that are worse than him? that scares me.

    -- i don't want to close the book on Cuellar yet, but he didn't do much today to stand out.

    -- i hope Luis Diaz can continue to make a name for himself. the big question will be how he adjusts to a potential transfer after the copa america. his stock rose a lot today; even with our lackluster tactics
     
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  7. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Morelos is playing in a league worse then Colombia and worse then the MLS. Has has had 3 games and shown very little.

    This game as a starter was not good that being said Villa was crossing only to the Korean players. Maybe with James he could have been a bit better but he isn’t ready nor is he better then Borre, Borja. He is on the NT because of hype and we want to sell him to the Epl. Maybe in 1-2 season but rather see Borre, Borja on the team. Even Marquez of Union Magdelena.

    Cuellar I have been screaming for him for a while but was bad. Not Villa level bad but really bad

    Villa is interesting prospect but Super sup or 3rd option at best. Learn to pass, cross or shoot. For all you guys hating coree locos that is all I see from him

    GKs - Arboleda last season was in much better form as was a bangera. Both are pretty bad this season. Montero as well. But we don’t have many options in the league unless we go to smaller teams

    RB - I don’t think either of the RBs in these games is better then Munoz of Rionegro. Sadly he will need to go to Junior or Nacional to get called

    CB - Bernardo and Lucumi should have been called. enough with Murillo and Tesillo that just not scouting!!! Or find a player in the league.

    Again he has 1 month in Colombia so gets a bit of leeway but still next friendlies call more guys and don’t call trash that doesn’t play for their clubs.

    On a positive note
    He didn’t call Abel or Carlos Sanchez
    He also didn’t call 5-6 injured players

    At least that is progress
     
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  8. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    i didn't see the game, it was aired early af here and today's my day off so decided to sleep in. Also, not aired in the US.

    I did see this though, lol. Regardless, I don't care too much about friendlies. Not that big a deal, pleased to hear about el guajaro! definitely a top player in the making. Been watching him since last season.

     
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  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    If Munoz is as good as you and pepino say he is then he will probably get a chance in the domestic training camp in Bogota.
    I hope some options at RB and LB capture the attention of the staff.


    I don't think Bernardo or Lucumi would have done much better than Murillo. But we will never know.
    Maybe one of them gets called up in the summer.
     
  10. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    let it go dude =)
    new head coach, new process

    personally i was surprised CQ called up Uribe who was 2 full games fresh off an injury. seeing him captain today says a lot about how must be revered in the locker room and on the field.

    Cantillo would be a nice test at some point too - i haven't seen him play much but you and a few others think very highly of him.

    i came across this recent video
     
  11. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I'm not gonna say that Cantillo is going to solve all our midfield problems, but we don't have a deep pool of players and even less in that position. I want him to be at least in the next microciclos, and if he does well and gets a call for the next friendlies that would be great.

    I'd also like Daniel Muñoz, who I've been trying to get noticed, but he plays for Rionegro, the chances of him getting called are pretty much non-existent despite him being at least on par with Piedrahita and Delgado, who are in my opinion the best we have in Liga Aguila. Offensively he is miles ahead of everyone IMO, defensively the same crap.
     
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  12. dirtysanchez

    dirtysanchez Member

    Jul 11, 2007
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I didn't watch the game, but it seems like the huge positive in this match was Luis Diaz. I guess Orejuela is a feasible backup to Arias.

    Ospina, Arias, Sanchez, James seem to be the only guaranteed starters for Copa America. Too many question marks in the starting eleven.
     
  13. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    Just watched the match. Knowing the result, I put the thing on mute which is really good for looking at things objectively. Thoughts:

    -Villa was not as bad as people mentioned. If Morelos buries that cross, nobody would be complaining. If that gol goes in and Diaz doesn't score, Villa becomes our man of the match. Yes, a lot of his crosses were just short, but MANY of those crosses came in only because he was continuously able to beat out a very feisty Korean defense. I still would rather him be a super sub, but if Cuadrado doesn't come back, I'm not against us sticking with Villa.

    -Cuellar...it sucks, but he just hasn't had a good match for Colombia yet. It's a damn shame, especially since Uribe entirely abandoned him to cover the entire center of the pitch by himself. He doesn't have the pace to do that. As much as I didn't like Lerma against Japan, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last we see of Cuellar.

    -Barrios has clearly won his spot in the center of the pitch, if it was ever in doubt. He and James brought total control to the pitch, and he pretty much covered that line by himself. Lerma should stay on the roster STRICTLY as his and Arias' backup.

    As for Uribe, this is not the first time he does that nonsense, abandoning his cdm partner to play closer to the forwards. It annoys me. Not until James switched on did we have somebody dropping down to recieve the ball from the defenders. That's Uribe's job. Dude is so inconsistent, and he only plays great or awful.

    -Orejuela did better than expected, but I pray Arias is never injured. Of course, Fabra had far worse first showings and matured tremendously. I see the two of them similarly; pretty good going forward.

    -Muriel never used to look good as a sub, but he did today. 2 good showings for him in these friendlies.

    -Diaz was good but not amazing to me. He looked far better with James on the pitch, and even better with Barrios and Muriel, as did everybody else. I mention this mainly for whoever's said he can pair James in a 4222. I'm still skeptical about that, but he booked himself a spot on the roster.

    -Quieroz - if he actually uses the data gathered today, I think these friendlies were mainly positive. Palacios, Helibelton, the back up CBs, and Arboleda (feel bad for the kid) have to go. Probably Cuellar, too. If we see a good pack of defenders and CMs in the upcoming microciclo, I'll take it as a good sign. We HAVE to get an actual sub for James. Bring back Cardona or start hoping that Benedetti's finally caught his groove.
     
  14. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    can anyone let me know who got the assist for the Luis Diaz goal?
     
  15. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    No one. It can't be considered antes assist when two Koreans touched the ball and then he stole It back.
     
  16. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Thanks!
     
  17. Bomb8

    Bomb8 Member+

    Jun 19, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I have somewhat mixed feelings about Villa. On the other hand I don't think he will ever become a superstar, and when there are no injuries he should be just a sub. BUT. He works hard and keeps the defenders on their toes for 90 mins and even if he's a bit limited on some ways, many dangerous situations were created thanks to him. Besides, I'm sure there is room for improvement.

    Agree about Morelos, he just couldn't reach that one ball, no reason to make a big deal out of it. And while Diaz's game wasn't perfect he made it clear he has the talent, and I don't mean just the goal.

    I think we were lucky that many players were injured, Queiroz was forced to give minutes to many rookies and now we know so much more.
     
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  18. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I give CQ a thumbs up for the past two games. He worked through all the injuries and gave lots of minutes to players who have not seen much.

    He also mixed it up by playing experienced players with inexperienced players.

    Losing JFQ a week prior definitely created some extra work so I think we are on the right path for the right roster for CA19

    Reyes would likely started the same lineup both games so i can respect what CQ did both games.
     
  19. Bomb8

    Bomb8 Member+

    Jun 19, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    For Reyes it would have been just doing some fine tuning. CQ's head must be still spinning from all the information he received in the tour. Now the work really starts for him. So far it's been just trying to find the cheapest bandeja paisa and to learn which barrios in Bogota to avoid after 10 pm.
     
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  20. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #145 pepinointer, Mar 27, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2019
    I think that the diaz predilection is in how he can be more dangerous close to the goal despite he startedin the wing as villa..........with villa i have the impression that he can only be dangerous in the wing and he cant get closer to the goal in a clean way..........


    For me he has more resoruces of creativity than villa....that rely more in speed
    He will live in barranquilla or bogota??? Pekerman lived two squares of my office a very calm neighborhood.
     
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  21. Bomb8

    Bomb8 Member+

    Jun 19, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I'm not sure where he lives. I just assumed he lives in Bogota, I never thought Barranquilla is an option. Who knows, maybe he lives where Pekerman used to live.

    I have a bit more confidence in CQ now. I think he made many good choices during the matches.
     
  22. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The Mina injury likely prevented another sub, but I would like to see Uribe-Lerma pair up at some point.

    I would think that Uribe-Barrios will be main CM duo; but it would be nice to rotate between Lerma and Barrios.
     
  23. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I saw the match with one eye since I was at work. Can anyone give me a link to download the full match??

    from what I saw, Luis Diaz was excellent. Besides the goal, he was very active, real headache to the Korean defense. And they are fast. Would take a chance based on what he shows also in Junior and say that he should start in the Copa on Cuadrado's expense.

    As for Arboleda, yes, reminded me the horrible debut of Stefan Medina, only that Medina played vs. tougher opponent in a tougher stadium. Arboleda was awful but I didn't like all the criticism on him. He is young, first appearance, the guy has a bright future. Maybe not now, but he should be a part of the process as a third goalkeeper, or at least to battle with Montero on the spot as long as he keeps performing well in Banfield. Ospina and Camilo are the starters for now.

    I won't comment on this game until I will see him completely, but in general it was a good trip, and hopefully that Queiroz has an idea of how's going to play in the Copa in less then three months.
     
  24. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Good write up.

    I will say that the source of the Diaz love (strictly speaking from my point of view) is that I really did not have any expectations for him. He not only looked like he belongs on the team but in both games gave us two of our most dangerous shots (one hit the post the other went in.) So to me it is culmination of many little things he did on the field and maturity wise in Asia.

    It will be interesting to see where we go from now because to me Muriel should start on the left wing (especially if it will be a one striker formation) but Diaz made his case to be a good option in this last weird formation we saw in Korea.
     
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  25. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    One last thing about all these friendlies.

    Brasil tied Panama, Ecuador tied Honduras, Peru lost to freakin El Salvador.

    Losing with an experimental squad in Korea is not bad at all, especially since people have pointed out we learn more from losses than victories.
     
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