Robert Kraft, let me a hand: no sex trafficking charges

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  1. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

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    I would bat not one but both eyes at you friend! And I as an attorney as well!
     
  2. onefineesq

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    I know that well, which is why I mentioned a "fine" and not jail time. But there would be consequences. And there wouldnt be jubilation at the prospect of no punishment. Discussion of what the law SHOULD BE is fair. I probably agree with you on that issue. But I for one am tired of people not caring about average people being locked up for years on bullshit, but then being outraged that a rich person was even stopped by the police, questioned, or served a warrant.
     
  3. Jazzy Altidore

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    #28 Jazzy Altidore, Mar 22, 2019
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    My posts have less to do with Kraft specifically, but are rather aimed at exposing the misplaced hysteria regarding sex trafficking, which is the newest form of moral outrage used to malign the sex trade between consenting adults. This is a convenient example because it is high profile. At the same time, I would certainly agree that Kraft should be treated the same as anyone else under the law. This seems a poor example to make your point because you have not suggested that Kraft has received any special deal.
     
  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Change the state laws. Tug jobs for all!
     
  5. Matt in the Hat

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    It needs to go higher than states. Rubbing and tugging should be protected free speech
     
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  6. Jazzy Altidore

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    If only Robert Kraft had videotaped it himself and uploaded it to pornhub as an amateur video, it would have been.
     
  7. bostonsoccermdl

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    This. (Of course insecure housewives would never agree or vote for this. Heaven forbid a couple gets in an arguement, and Jon has to "work late that night." Paranoia would skyrocket.

    Strange how we never hear many complaints or issues coming out of Nevada with their legal sex trade. Not sure why more states can't follow suit.

    (Welcome back Matt, never had a chance to say Hi.)
     
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  8. roadkit

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    Where I live, the local government freaked out when they realized that masturbating someone was not, legally speaking, a "sex act" and therefore you couldn't bust people for getting their joint worked in one of the numerous "spas."

    Hysterical. They're obviously working overtime to close that egregious loophole.

    Puritanical bastards.
     
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  9. bostonsoccermdl

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    I wouldn't consider a ruined reputation in your community (or in his case, nationally) meek. The legal ramifications are nothing compared to those repurcusions.
    I can only imagine someone trying to date and having their partner doing a google search out of boredom. Or getting a background check for a potential new job? That's probably enough deterent right there to keep a lot of potential jons on the straight and narrow.

    And even if someone gets off from the crime (poor choice of words) the stigma sticks with them.

    All over a handjob...
     
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  10. Jazzy Altidore

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    Yes that's a good point. I agree completely.
     
  11. Gamecock14

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    How does legalizing this solve the current problem?

    The problem was that it was allegedly "sex trafficking".

    We legalized marijuana in a few states. You still get busted if you make large sales/any sale as an unregistered dealer, driving while high, selling to minors, allowing minors to get high under your care, etc.

    What the owner of the spa was doing was illegal even if prostitution was legal. The owner easily could have used American citizens who were paid under the table.
     
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  12. Matt in the Hat

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    Since legalization, when was the last time you heard of a famous person going down for weed? You haven't.

    Same would happen with a legal poonani option .
     
  13. Jazzy Altidore

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    Have you not followed the facts? There are no sex trafficking charges because the women were Florida residents who were independently working and running the massage parlor. If prostitution was legal there would be no charges. There would also be no market for alleged sex trafficking because it would kill the black market.
     
  14. soccernutter

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    It won't get rid of the black market, but will do wonders to those consenting adults willing to exchange sex for money.

    I'd like to see the data, but I would guess the same people who are anti-abortion are also anti-prostitution.
     
  15. Jazzy Altidore

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    It would kill the black market because there’d be no need for one. And you’d be surprised who supports anti prostitution laws under the guise of anti sex trafficking laws.
     
  16. soccernutter

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    No it wouldn't. The Netherlands is a great example of that. While prostitution was legal, those from not EU countries (or some other designation) were trafficked into The Netherlands to work "legally" as sex workers, but they were not legal so they could not legally work as legal sex workers.

    As for the US, non-residents could still be sex-trafficked, as well as minors/children.
     
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  17. bostonsoccermdl

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    The trafficking market wouldn’t become extinct, but the need for it would be dramatically decreased therefore a benefit to everyone except the pimps and pimpettes.

    Pretty much impossible to argue against that fact.
     
  18. Jazzy Altidore

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    It would be far less profitable to invest in the resources required to traffick anyone because of competition from the legal market. It would totally change the profit proposition of taking on the risk of a large prison sentence. Of course, the sex trafficking hysterics may not accept this.
     
  19. Jazzy Altidore

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    The fact that someone isn’t a legal resident doesn’t mean the person is sex trafficked, in the same reason that an illegal immigrant working on a farm isn’t necessarily a trafficked work slave.
     
  20. soccernutter

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    Depends on who is trafficked. A person from the trailer park is likely to have less profit than somebody from central China. Of course, the people who are trafficked are also those more marginalized or desperate than those who are legally willing to be part of sex work.

    But that is only part of the issue. Another finding out of somewhere, I forget (maybe Germany) is that the regulations need to be done correctly otherwise the pimps will still do what they are doing.

    There are multiple issues regarding sex work. Legalizing it will help many, but there are still other aspects of sex work that just legalizing it won't solve.

    Keep in mind, I'm all for legalizing sex work.
     
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  21. argentine soccer fan

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    Stigma? Maybe, but I doubt a guy like Kraft will have trouble getting a date, handjob notwithstanding.
     
  22. Jazzy Altidore

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    We are speaking generally about the consequences for the average person, not Robert Kraft.
     
  23. ToMhIlL

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    When all is said and done, Kraft will have spend more on legal fees that he has on the entire Revs payroll for the year.
     
  24. ElJefe

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    Smoking a J doesn't get you served with divorce papers.

    And trafficked women can't and don't tip off spouses and the media about husbands' indiscretions.
     
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  25. JohnR

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    It did so in the United Kingdom. The U.K. ran a huge, multi-million pound operation a few years back to seek out sex-trafficked women, because some of their politicians insisted that the practice was rampant, and several thousand (!) detentions later the police found bupkis. The politicians lied.

    There are always people who say that sex trafficking is prevalent, without knowing if that statement is true, so you can't believe any claim without checking it. It might be true, it might not. That's why I am thoroughly agnostic about the Florida spa case. We shall see what the evidence reveals.
     

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