2022 WC Qualifiers

Discussion in 'Ecuador - National Team' started by Primitive Ways, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Is Cifuentes in the NT over? Since he went to the Middle East? We need him up front. Can’t play with false 9 if we don’t call up people that score lol. Then we need an actual forward.
     
  2. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    We can’t score because all we do is play negative futbol, only passing backwards and no pressure.
     
  3. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I meant is that if we go with 4-3-3 then we need to call up people that can score up top like Casares. That can play as a false 9 and provide scoring opportunities. I think Ecuador has enough players to do it successfully. The problem is with the players Bolillo called up, they can’t really play that style. My guess is that he will continue with a 4-2-2, but as you guys said, we don’t have wing play anymore, our strength lies in the middle now.

    We have really good quality players to hang with anyone if we had a quality coach that knew what to do. That just my opinion. I don’t think we are lacking honestly. I think we are just scared to be creative and hire good coaches. I think Bauza or a Brazilian coach would do wonders in Ecuador.
     
  4. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    We really need a coach who can integrate our youth with some good veterans like Tabarez did with Uruguay.

    We finally have good youth coming up and I feel we won't get the best of them with our current coach.
     
  5. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Pulisic is 20 years old, but plays in the Bundesliga for a top club (Borussia Dortmund). This kid gets much more playing time than Campana and is deserving of being on a NT. Campana doesn't even start in BSC. I'm not saying he doesn't have quality, but is he more deserving than Brayan Angulo, Edson Montano, Miller Bolanos, or Enner Valencia? Not at all. He's still developing. The NT doesn't develop players. That's a club team's job. Being on the NT means you are of THE BEST/TOP QUALITY the country has. Campana does not fit that description because he hasn't proved it yet. U-20 is one thing, First Division ball and NT are another. Each one of those doors leads to the next. That's why it's called a process. You can't skip steps around this sh*t. You do well in U-20, it open doors to get an opportunity in your club team, you do well in your club team, then it opens doors for an opportunity in the NT. Bolillo is a terrible coach, he said Campana isn't a savior and the U-20 Sudamericano isn't anything to be happy about, and then he calls up Campana who doesn't even start in BSC. Weak minded and indecisive individual which is why we are bound to fail with him.

    He said don't expect us to win the Copa America, and today he said we're going to win it LMAO. The clowning is at its highest with this guy. At least Rueda was honest about his philosophy of playing. Bolillo doesn't even know wtf he's doing.

    His biggest mistake in this roster has been calling up Campana when there were other greater options available.
     
  6. cabezamagica

    cabezamagica Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    NYC
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Like I said ,Campana didn’t make the line up,that’s all on Bolillo,but I stand by what I said ,Campana deserves to be on the bench at least, in the NT,like Allan ,said we need to integrate the youth with Veterans.How long do we rely On Paredes ffs,this guys time is wait passed,he may as well hold up a sign ,that says,”come through here”.We ll leave it as ,we both have differencet opinions ,but we want the best for NT,We’re both in agreement that Bolillo’s should not be coaching our NT .So does anyone know what cockamamie scheme ,Bolillo has planned for today.?
     
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  7. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I wouldn't say so defensively. We have a good future. Angelo Preciado, Andres Lopez, and Byron Castillo (until now he's not proven to be Colombian) as your right fullbacks. Robert Arboleda, Franklin Guerra, Anderson Ordonez, Xavier Arreaga, Dario Aimar, Arturo Mina...These are all great center backs when in their top form. Beder Caicedo, Cristian Ramirez, and Diego Palacios are all left backs with great quality as well.

    In midfield you have Carlos Gruezo who has shown progress in his career IMO, Sebastian Mendez who is the best center mid we have had in years, Orejuela who has NT experience, Jose Cevallos Jr. and Fernando Gaibor who have the creative skills needed to collaborate with this midfield, and Jefferson Intriago who has been one of the best, if not the BEST, center-mid in the local league since last year. Then there's other kids like Jordan Sierra who are doing well playing abroad, but haven't been a part of this process. There's also that kid Jose Cifuentes from the U-20 who is a starter in America de Quito and is IMO the best upcoming midfielder with the most potential.

    So in these two areas, I don't believe we lack quality or options. What we lack is guidance, leadership, and an established philosophy on how we should be playing.

    Up front we still have Enner who scores like there's no tomorrow in friendlies, but I want to see it replicated in qualifiers. We have Cifuente who needs to regain his form, but at his best he's phenomenal and the most lethal striker we have. Brayan Angulo is the best upcoming striker we have and he proved it with very close to 30 goals last season in the campeonato. Miller is in great shape in Tijuana at the moment so that's a good sign, then you have other strikers we can lean on for the moment as back ups like Edson Montano, Carlos Garces, etc. This is an area where we need players like Leonardo Campana and Stiven Plaza to prove they have what it takes in their club team to shine.

    And as far as wingers, this is where we really lack. We have Anderson Julio who has quality and is promising, but honestly nothing superb. There's lots of players in Emelec like Billy Arce, Bryan Cabezas, and even Joao Rojas who are all great players when they're at their best, but VERY inconsistent. None of them has maintained their form, but the good thing is they are early in their careers. Alexander Alvarado from Aucas is the one in best form at the moment after having a great U-20 tournament, so there's an option. Then there's fillers like Romario and Renato, Mena, and Antonio who will be gone from the NT due to age soon. Gonzalo Plata is promising, but needs to earn his spot in his club. This is where we lack the most. Not many options here.
     
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  8. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I'm not too worried about upcoming attackers because attacking players will always pop out. I just hope we can incorporate our young defenders and midfielders properly. I would have rather seen young guys vs. the USA than the old guys we've always seen. There's nothing more they can add, so might as well start the new cycle now so they can be ready for the qualifiers.

    Not to mention the young guys seem to be hungry for success whereas the regulars are just playing because they have to.
     
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  9. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    You can name all the guys you want but what I saw last week says otherwise. It feels like we are going to do the eliminatorias with pretty much the same squad as Quinteros.
     
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  10. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    The fact that Paredez will start yet again and Andres Lopez is back home in Ecuador makes me question how much of our local league Bolillo watches.
     
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  11. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    We have such a hard time getting the ball from our end to theirs.
     
  12. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    How are we playing worse than Honduras?
     
  13. cabezamagica

    cabezamagica Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    NYC
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Anyone has a link,the Honduran one went down.
     
  14. Jefe Esco

    Jefe Esco Member

    Sep 7, 2010
    Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    the way things are looking, I'm starting to wonder if we should start thinking about 2026 instead
     
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  15. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I'm glad we aint in CONCACAF, they are better than us
     
  16. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Peru is losing to El Salvador...
     
  17. cabezamagica

    cabezamagica Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    NYC
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    From the little that I saw,I think I’ll just keep watching the sub 20 and sub 17,at least they can string a couple of passes.:D
     
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  18. cabezamagica

    cabezamagica Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    NYC
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    So is today Concacaf day or something?Mexico just scored against Paraguay.
     
  19. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Watching Ecuador play is so painful. There's no plan whatsoever and the coach could care less.
     
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  20. cabezamagica

    cabezamagica Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    NYC
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    There still no sense of team play when attacking,no link ups,while Novoa did manage to make a few passes,most were not fully taken advantage of,Mena tried also but the corner guys Caicedo and Renato can’t seem to generate play and end up losing it,doing the opposite of what should be done,also this Orejiela kid,someone tell me his function ,because from what I seen ,he’s a non threat.Bolillo has managed to make us worse then the first time he took over,we were predictable but at least we had a plan,run like crazy on the sides,pass it to Tin,also Aguinaga generating plays. I honestly think the sub 20,would have done a better job,at least there’s a consistent idea of how to play.
     
  21. Jefe Esco

    Jefe Esco Member

    Sep 7, 2010
    Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    lol for real, sub 17 came back from 2-0 to win last night too
     
  22. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I'm just making a valid argument to your mention of lack of players in our squad. Although it is true we lack in certain areas, we can do better with another coach at hand. We've made it through before with a better attacking half and a defense of lesser quality- For example, Rueda's NT was strong up front and in the middle, but defensively was very doubtful after Jairo Campos got injured. Erazo was inconsistent, Achiller was at his worst during that time, Paredes did good for half of Rueda's cycle and then fell into the pits, Walter Ayovi was aged and slow and considered a weak link in the latter half of Rueda's era.

    Just saying, we don't have those issues in defense any longer IMO. There's options, but it's about finding the right ones and being able to create a team that works well together. Bolillo's philosophy is more defensive than Rueda's. That's HORRIBLE. Even if you gave this guy France's NT, they would suck because his style of playing is not fit for success. He doesn't have a mentality of a winner. He's supposed to be this big motivator that inspires his players, but I don't see the smallest dosage of inspiration being ingested by any of our players through Bolillo. It's quite easy to see that this is going to be Quinteros part II. Why? Because the current FEF didn't hire him and Bolillo must not be happy either because he hasn't been paid for 5 months worth of his salary. I see a VERY unstable scenario ALREADY. Imagine when Copa America comes....GOOD BYE Bolillo!! So it's not all about the players, it's the coach too.

    I think if Bauza is unemployed come July or August and Bolillo has a terrible Copa America, he will be appointed as the next coach. He's currently in Ecuador and will possibly be working in Liga for now. People may say "oh but he failed in Argentina, he failed in Saudi Arabia"....yeah he failed in teams that were destined to fail. Argentina has failed ever since Sabella left. Saudi Arabia has never been a powerhouse with quality players. Give Bauza the NT, and I can bet we will see change in a good direction. I believe at this point, his salary is definitely attainable to pay off. It's now or never.
     
  23. cabezamagica

    cabezamagica Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    NYC
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Don’t know about Bauza bro,he’s been gone to long from Ecuador and didn’t he reject the NT at one point?I would like to see what Celico can reach in the under 20 WC,and see if he can take over.He certainly has fresh eyes over our players,knows what makes them tick and knows how to scout,and from what he’s showing with the mini tri,I like his attack minded play without overlooking the defense.Bauza would have been a better choice when he was coaching Liga,but he may not be up to the task now.just my opinion.
     
  24. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Bauza was trash even when he had Messi.
     
  25. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Diego Palacios should be a starter on the NT after the Sub-20 world cup.
     

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