Wednesday 20 Mar 2019

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Mar 19, 2019.

  1. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Minnesota United FC opens Allianz Field with scarf-raising ceremony
    https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/mi...ns-allianz-field-with-scarf-raising-ceremony/


    Populous Creates New Material To Skin Soon-To-Open Allianz Field

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timnew...-material-to-skin-soon-to-open-allianz-field/

    MLS, commissioner eye expansion beyond 28 teams and 2021
    http://www.startribune.com/mls-and-...expansion-beyond-28-teams-and-2021/507338972/

    NYCFC stadium announcement could come this year, says Yankees president
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019...cement-could-come-year-says-yankees-president

    Lansing Ignite forms alliance with Chicago Fire, will host MLS team at Cooley Stadium
    https://www.lansingstatejournal.com...rship-alliance-mls-usl-league-one/3205242002/

    Report: Inter Miami in "advanced talks" with Mexican defender Hector Moreno
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019...advanced-talks-mexican-defender-hector-moreno

    Lionel Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo: star duo on David Beckham’s Inter Miami wish list
    https://www.theweek.co.uk/mls/10027...o-david-beckham-inter-miami-transfer-news-mls


    Beckham’s Broward stadium plan pitches soccer without commercial development
    https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mls/article228103469.html

    National Soccer Hall of Fame announces candidates for 2019 induction class
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019...ame-announces-candidates-2019-induction-class

    MLS relegation: Major League Soccer row continues with Fifa president Gianni Infantino called to spark shakeup
    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...-gianni-infantino-2019-ussf-usl-a8829191.html

    Almost didn't include this one ... bottom line, someone representing "hundreds" of clubs sends letter to FIFA and USSF
     
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  2. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I believe it was Claudio Reyna who said that MLS wasn't growing but expanding. And those are true words. Problem I see is that there are markets that just aren't working (regardless if it is the owner, lack of interest from fans etc) and yet MLS still wants to expand instead of trying of a way to make those other markets grow. Going to 28, 32 or beyond isn't really growing. It is just taking advantage of an 150 million dls fee, possibly even more after team #28, that others are willing to pay. Our domestic player pool isn't that great to begin with and we will dilute it by expanding beyond what we already have. Quantity over quality, I guess.
     
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  3. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    That is completely inaccurate. Even if you don't count Houston with RGV and San Jose with Reno because they are hybrid arrangements it still leaves out Kansas City (Swope Park Rangers), DC United (Loudoun United), Dallas (North Texas SC), Real Salt Lake (Real Monarchs), Orlando (Orlando City B), and Philadelphia (Bethlehem Steel).
     
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  4. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #4 Bill Archer, Mar 20, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2019
    The naive if not indeed childlike belief some people seem to have in the kind, selfless benevolence of Gianni Infantino and FIFA is truly touching.

    And also hilarious.

    Gianni Infantino will never, ever try and interfere with the structure of soccer in the US. Not ever.

    First because he doesn't have to - the ide that these people can "force" Infantino or FIFA into doing what they want him to by waving "Article 9" around is beyond laughable. He gets to decide what that article actually says and there is literally no appeal possible.

    Second because he doesn't want to. The players, movers, shakers, money men and - not coincidentally - the people who put him in power, are all against any change. A bunch of"soccer clubs" (whatever that means) signing an oh-so-sincere appeal to justice and love of the game does not even budge the balance scale.

    Third because Infantino knows that what it really is about is not the greater good of the game and overall improvement of soccer in the US - as if he gave a fat rat's ass - but rather it's all about some guys who don't have a lot of money wanting him to help them get more. Guys like Rocco Cosmos there,who want some court to make him a full fledged MLS member on the cheap.

    Infantino isn't stupid; he's a remarkably bright and shrewd guy and he knows exactly what the game is.

    Fourth because, even if he were desperate to see the US adopt full-fledged pro/rel - and why that would be I cannot imagine - he knows good and well (and obviously better than these hundreds of "soccer clubs" do) that he cannot meddle in the affairs of MLS L.L.C. without ending up on the bad end of a lawsuit he has no hope of winning.

    It would require Infantino to make an announcement that, say, Jimmy Haslam or Carl Lindner or Handjob Bob or Phil Anschutz and their partners will just have to suck it up and go play in Rochester and DesMoines because he says so.

    I will only say again: why in God's name would he do that? Because a bunch of financially weak guys wrote him a letter? Please.
     
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  5. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. jack sticker

    jack sticker Red Card

    Rangers
    United States
    Jun 5, 2018
    Haha Kraft picking up trash. And getting his dick stocked.
     
  7. Egbert Sousé

    Egbert Sousé Member

    NYCFC
    May 25, 2013
    nyc
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]

    If these maroons are going to once again bring up their ridiculous arguments, then allow me to bring up mine.....IF YOU WANT PRO/REL, START YOUR OWN DAMN LEAGUE!!!

    How simple is that? Screw MLS. Don't even bring them into the equation. With 100 teams you can start a 5 division league and pro/rel to your hearts content. Right?

    Since everyone in this country is all hot and bothered for pro/rel, it will only be a matter of time before hundreds of thousands of fans will abandon MLS and follow the new league. Right?

    Heineken, Etihad, Seat Geek and the rest will abandon MLS for the new league. Right?

    FOX, ESPN and Univision will abandon MLS and sign contracts with the new league. Right?

    It ain't rocket science. Simply pay no attention to MLS and start your own league.

    The End
     
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  8. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's probably also worth noting that most of those "hundreds" of clubs would fold instantly if they actually got promoted and had to pay their players. ;)
     
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  9. jack sticker

    jack sticker Red Card

    Rangers
    United States
    Jun 5, 2018
    Yeah Americans will respond well to a global governing body telling them what to do.
     
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  10. rocketeer22

    rocketeer22 Member+

    Apr 11, 2000
    Oakton,VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The one area of growth I see in DC is that I'll see more MLS gear being casually worn in public. In 10 minutes I past people wearing gear from 4 different MLS teams. DC of course gets a lot of tourism and transplanted workers. Otherwise I get your point. (I also see jerseys from Euro clubs).
     
  11. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think MLS is going beyond 28 teams is a foregone conclusion. The problem is that Saint Louis stated if they lose this round they won't try for the next but I don't think the team would be ready by the 2021 start date. My prediction is that Sacramento wins the 28th bid to start in 2021. At the same time MLS announces four more teams will be added and Saint Louis will be team 29 with the three remaining spots to be determined. Just a guess but I think it would solve the problem and they don't want to lose the Saint Louis market or the ownership group. Also the strong showing by Cincinnati I think gives a boost to Sacramento and small market teams with passionate fans.
     
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  13. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure 2021 is a hard and fast date, tho. MLS has always showed a willingness to delay an expansion teams entry if the club needs/wants it.
     
  14. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    I have been reading about this and I just don't understand the timeline.
    It has been announced Miami is joining next year. My understanding is that is currently set. Has this changed?
    So if that is the case they have 11 months. They are now going to build a new stadium in that 11 months to play in for 2 years while they build another new stadium? This just doesn't add up. It will be months at the soonest before they would be able to start actual construction at Lockhart.
    Are they going to announce another temporary playing location while they build their temporary stadium while they build their permanent stadium? I mean the building of the stadium at Lockhart hasn't even been approved yet...just that they can negotiate to build.

    This ownership group cracks me up. They had 2 or 3 previous attempts to land a site collapse. They bought a location announced to the world this was their location and had all kinds of celebration (we all said was too small and it was the second location we all said was too small) and have since decided to not build there. They are still in negotiations to build at another location and now in negotiations to build in yet another location. This is very hard to keep up.
     
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  15. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's just say the stadium they build will have a very "temporary" feel to it. ;)
     
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  16. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    If this even gets approved they are only going to have 9 months at most to construct and open it, and that is being optimistic. I just don't see it no matter how "temporary" it is.

    All the mockups they have been showing around for the Lockhart location show a stadium with roof over seating.
     
  17. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do we need to take a trip down memory lane and show the mockups and artists renditions for: Talen Energy Stadium, Audi Field, Toyota Stadium (FCD), BBVA Compass Stadium, Orlando City Stadium, etc.?

    This venue will be a temporary venue a la Empire Field:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_Field

    [​IMG]

    Which, btw, was built in 3 months.
     
  18. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    I completely understand and am well aware of renderings not matching final product. I just don't think this is going to happen in 11 months when it hasn't even been approved yet, demolition hasn't even been scheduled. Looking at the history of this ownership group they can't seem to stay focused on one thing for more than 6 months or so. I am not buying what they are selling.
    If this teams starts in this Lockhart location for the 2020 season I will be extremely impressed. I think either they don't start in 2020 or they have to play somewhere else.

    I also don't think your example is a good one. This stadium while temporary for Inter Miami is being proposed to stay in place permanently for the USL team. That being the case I don't think the 3 months construction for a completely temporary structure is comparable.

    Time will tell. I am expecting something will change with this plan.
     
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  19. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think they are finding out it is much harder to get things done in Miami than they thought.. The Mas's are used to snapping their fingers and having the city jump to attention, but it sounds like they are finding that getting private property developed is much different than getting something like a stadium on public land built.

    I'd also point you to the last sentence in @jaykoz3's post.. The Whitecaps and Lions got a 22k seat stadium built in 3 months.. Granted, part of that was because the seats were already in Vancouver due to the Olympics, but it can be done quick.
     
  20. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which ownership group? The Mas Brother's Ownership Group, or the one before their involvement? The Overtown Site was approved and bought prior to the Mas brothers & Yoshi Son joining the group.

    Also, why couldn't they build a temporary modular stadium on another portion of the property to use now and for the next couple of years, while building the permanent structure on the site of Lockhart Stadium?
     
  21. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    If they are just now figuring out it is harder than they thought after literally 5 years then I have no hope for them. I know the Mas's weren't involved from the beginning but they should have paid attention and researched.
    I addressed the 3 month thing in my post. That was 100% temporary stadium. This is a permanent stadium to be used temporarily by MLS team. Not the same IMO.
     
  22. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    Just going off the info being provided. NO mention of building 2 stadiums at Lockhart. You can assume all you want.
    "Inter plan to play their first two seasons at the new 18,000-capacity venue before moving to their permanent home at Miami Freedom Park near Miami International Airport, while the Lockhart Stadium would eventually become the home of a new USL affiliate club."
     
  23. Adiaga_2

    Adiaga_2 Member

    St. Louis City SC
    Aug 30, 2007
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The St. Louis ownership group has targeted a 2022 starting date since they made their first public announcement. They have also repeatedly said that they are specifically going after spot #28.

    But it's definitely possible that the league could award Sacramento the 28th spot and come to a handshake agreement with the St. Louis bid that they will receive spot #29 (before an official announcement about further expansion is made).

    It's also quite possible that MLS could announce STL as #28 with a 2022 start and then announce Sacramento as #29 with a 2021 start. A lot of that might have to be determined by the estimated time it's going to take to complete construction for each team's stadium.
     
  24. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's a reason why I said the Mas's and not Inter Miami. The Mas's are major players in Miami's property development market. I'm sure they thought their history and connections would be able to blow throw the red tape just like it does in relation to their private developments.

    All I'm going to say is that 18k is WAY too big for a USL club. The highest the Strikers ever got was under 5k and we're talking about the development team for a MLS team here where history is... not good. There isn't a particularly reason why InterMiami couldn't throw up an 18k temporary stadium while their permanent stadium is built (assuming it does).
     
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  25. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They don't need to. ;) They could just build the temporary stadium, wait until Inter's permanent stadium is finished, then tear down the temporary and start construction on a much smaller permanent stadium for the USL club.
     
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