You are ridiculous, because I have never had a problem with the fans and that's nothing to do with why the Bundesliga clubs are run terribly. I have connections to people from Dortmund. Dortmund actually are one of the few decently run clubs in the Bundesliga, not perfect, but it is why they have managed to become the 2nd financial power to Bayern. It's Schalke, Hamburg, Stuttgart, Bremen etc, which are run disgracefully and it has nothing to do with ticket prices. I can't be bothered to get into such a discussion now, but you speak about things you have no clue about. Most Premier League clubs are not Arsenal and Tottenham. Most Premier League clubs actually have affordable tickets and especially for away fans, who are the most loyal. In fact match day ticket sales aren't a huge factor for the elite Premier League clubs, which is why fans of certain clubs are son angry about them. Also grow up. If you are going to have a sensible debate stop using "strawman" arguments.
You want me to read about scaling advantage? Because you think I believe smaller clubs have the ability to generate more revenue than bigger clubs!?! Wtf is wrong with you?? No, 50+1 rule only applies if a billionaire shareholder wants to takeover the control of a club. And no, the owners aren't raking it in because TSG and RBL are playing in CL. They aren't pouring money in because if they did, they will get sanctioned by UEFA over FFP. VfL and B04 don't abide by the rule either. How far have they gone? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Come back when you have more than just a clue about 50+1. Just be used you read a few pros and cons about it doesn't make you an armchair expert.
The DFB tried to make an exception for those two clubs because they were founded as organic car and pharmaceutical "factory worker clubs" 100 years ago. Very different to Hoffenheim or Leipzig , one of Red Bull's many global franchise, but it does not stop new clubs taking advantage of a loophole cos both the rule and special exceptions are unlawful. The central point of this discussion is, As long as 50+1 stays, German football will not prioritize profitmaking above local fan culture unlike English Spanish Italian clubs. Thats why Bundesliga loses on relative commercial standing, compared to Spain Italy England where clubs attract more foreign investors, foreign sponsors and attract higher caliber foreign players to play in those leagues instead of Germany.
That makes no sense. BL clubs primary revenue source is commercial. EPL clubs primary revenue source is TV.
If Company A's primary revenue is commercial (400 million) and Company B's is TV (2 billion TV, 600 million commercial) it's a logic fallacy to assume Company B does not earn more than A commercially. More global TV exposure leads to higher commercial takings. Feel free to insist economic principles make no sense to you too. Even if the EPL's primary revenue source is TV, it doesn't mean EPL is not better than BL at raking commercial revenue. When you complain Arsenal's Puma deals are worth more than BVB, do you not get why it is so?
Arsenal made more because they've made the CL knockouts steadily for years. TV revenue doesn't automatically mean more commercial revenue. That's not how this works. How you envision all this with your mickey mouse examples is not how any of this works.
I think bvbSlash might have been right. Bayern going out in the CL is probably best for Dortmund and even better was the humiliating defeat they suffered. It's going to show the Bundesliga teams and potential players they are nothing special. It could mean they are more likely to drop points. I honestly feel if we play our last 8 matches with Akanji/Dahoud/Sancho and most importantly Reus we will win the league. I was watching Lverkusen vs Bremen. Sahin had a really good game rolling back the years. Kruse was MOTM though. Brandt stepped up in the second half and Bailey scored a great free kick.
Yep, but Kovac is going for teams. We need to do the same. We need to make teams fear us. If we go and face Bayern and don't fear them. If Favre was to play this lineup from now until the end of the season. ---Burki--- LP/Hakimi--Akanji--Zagadou--Diallo Sancho---Weigl---Dahoud---Raphael --------------Reus---------- -----------Alcacer-------- Then I am confident we can win this league.
I don’t see how anyone here thinks us getting knocked out of the CL is good for you. We can focus on the League.... I also don’t think anything in the league is a certainty here.
I thought the same, but the manner of your defeat should have sent a message to the rest of the Bundesliga, you aren't a team to be feared. I was watching the Chelsea match, but had the Bayern game on too. Mainz were terrible. Bayern have two very hard matches to end the season. Ultimately it is our hands. It's very simple what needs to be done. Win all 8 games and we win the Bundesliga.
It will come down to our match. Both teams know what’s at stake. We are 7 goals up and every match is pretty much a final. This isn’t the boring ol’ league. Now 1FCN, I’m enjoying their table spot! [emoji23]
I just hope Favre has the guts to do what is needed. The blueprint of what is needed was shown clearly by Liverpool. We need enough speed upfront to force the Bayern back line deep. James, Muller and even Thiago are not the most mobile. So there is going to space in midfield, which Dahoud's legs can exploit. There will be space right in the middle for Reus and Dahoud. I just have a very bad feeling Favre won't have the guts to pick the right team.
Look at your squad and your finances. You're built to compete in the league and the CL. You can put out two first teams out there. There's a reason why you pay more than a 100M in salaries than we do. When was the last time you lost the league because you were too focused on the CL?
A lot of posters here speak from emotion rather than logic and rely heavily on personal anecdotes or "feels" to support their position, ignoring evidence to the contrary. Not just BVB fans, the entire football fandom has a tendency of pulling opinions from their butt and acting informed because they own a football sim game. Pulisic's YA thread is a goldmine for that.
Since 2012-13 Bayern have gone deep into the CL every season: 1 final, 4 semi, 1 quarter. If only you were right because by your distinguished logic we should have won at least 5 BL titles in that time. The best we have done is come 2nd by 10 points. Whatever, those people are pulling out of their butts, you are having for dinner. @Boandlkramer c'mon you are better than this. Don't feed the idiots on here.
Please don't get defensive Slash, it is the general tendency of fans to be emotional and kneejerk in their opinion. People laugh at ArsenalFanTV but they represent what all football fandoms sound like. The general trend in sport, with a few exceptions, is that competing in fewer cup competitions helps league performances. Less chance of injuries, double the time (no CL game: 1 week, with CL games: only half a week) to recover and drill specific match tactics. I don't think looking at Bayern's CL performance circa 2012-13 is relevant at all to whether playing CL helps or hurts them in a title race. As you say, the closest we came was by 10 points , so we were never level on points with Bayern in March or April in those years. The mindset for Bayern in those seasons was to build an unassailable lead in the league by February so they can have the luxury of focusing on Champs League knockout games, rest their starters and field some second stringers in the Bundesliga when there is a big CL game (ask @Boandlkramer). In years when they are running away with the title by March and winning by margins of 25, 19, 10 points and setting total point records, of course Champions League had a minimal effect on league form. They did not even have a title competitor to worry about. This season Bayern are the weakest they have been for years so they are out of Europe and level on BL points with Dortmund. They will field their best eleven and prepare for every Bundesliga game like a cup final. Unlike all those seasons where they reached CL last 4 or 8, no Bayern second stringer will be fielded in the league unless the best players are injured. Does that help us?
Just to show you what a lot of crap your post contains, this is Bayern's line-up against BVB with 5 match days to go and there being around a 15 point gap between us back in 2013-14. http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/..._bayern-muenchen-14_borussia-dortmund-17.html And a year later (we were dead last a few months prior BTW): https://www.google.de/search?client...F-8#sie=m;/g/11f53tm5__;2;/m/037169;ln;fp;1;; Might be time for you to just log off. You are clueless.
How is FCB's 2013-14-15 lineup v BVB (internationally watched marquee game, theyll field the A team even if BVB are 50 points adrift) relevant to whether being able to focus on the league exclusively helps Bayern in the title race?
Bayern played the top team in the EPL and lost. Frankfurt have been the only German club to play well in Europe. Meaning everyone else has sucked too. Bayern have scored 17 goals in 3 games so far in March with only 1 goal against. Teams have gone back to turning over for us. Momentum is on Bayerns side. Der Klassiker will be interesting.