England U-16 Discussion Thread 2 [R] (2008 born)

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, May 4, 2012.

  1. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
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    Chelsea FC
    4-2-3-1 (or 4-3-3 if you prefer the AMC to be part of the 3) so yeah, although not having watched the game means there's a certain amount of guesswork. Iling won't have played central, Dembele could have been wide with John deeper, and Musiala the AMC, or Dembele and John could have swapped from the above. John seems to play a lot more central and closer to midfield for England.

    The back four was Oyegoke-Humphries-Colwill-Norris and the striker was Dobbin, so the arrangement of everyone else is up for grabs. Either way, it's a really attacking team, and it's the second time this season they've beaten France. Back in the autumn it was in the Val-de-Marne Tournament and it was a similar midfield then, only with Patino instead of Iling, meaning Dembele was almost certainly wide on that day.

    http://youthhawk.co.uk/w/index.php/France_1-3_England_(2018_Val-de-Marne_Tournament)
     
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  2. JRSG

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    Mar 25, 2015
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    Are you sure? That doesn't fit with the photo lining up for the anthem at all.
     
  3. JRSG

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    Mar 25, 2015
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    Torquay United
    Ignore me Juni, I didn't see you were saying the France XI.
     
  4. KingSRV

    KingSRV Member

    Jul 20, 2014
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    Chelsea FC
    A little out of date, but here's the full match of the England U-16s 4-1 victory over Japan at the Val-De-Marne last November.



    England

    GK - 13 Coniah Boyce-Clarke

    RB - 2 CJ Egan-Riley (12 Benjamin Watt, 63)

    RCB - 4 Nohan Kenneh

    LCB - 6 Levi Colwill

    LB - 16 Luke Mbete-Tabu (3 James Norris, 40)

    DM - 15 Charlie Patino (5 Harry Hagan, 73)

    CM - 8 Jude Bellingham

    AM - 10 Jamal Musiala (7 Karamoko Dembele, 55)

    LW - 18 Nile John

    RW - 11 Amadou Diallo (14 Sam Iling Jr, 40)

    CF - 9 Louie Barry (17 Lewis Dobbin, 63)

    This was the teamsheet for the France match at the VDM.


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  5. JRSG

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    Mar 25, 2015
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    He might be late 2002 but i'm pretty sure he's 03 but Lenni Cirino looked interesting for Blackburn this morning v United. Still clearly has growing to do, but was very bright from left back. Ethan Laird is a monster in the U18s, and although he had a difficult first half, Cirino definitely didn't embarrass himself. Laird went off (pre-planned ht sub so he's available for the U23s early next week) + he came through very strongly in the 2nd half.

    Blackburn's U16s beat United 4-3. I think they're a good group, with the likes of Jake Barrett and then some of the younger players (Charlie Weston for example) won last years U14 Albert Phelan North in 17/18.
     
  6. Juni

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    Nov 26, 2010
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    Weston was released by Huddersfield and had, among other, Chelsea making overtures for him before he went to Rovers.
     
  7. Garibaldi11

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    Mar 23, 2011
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    #3357 Garibaldi11, Feb 24, 2019
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    That was Jake Garrett's first game back on Saturday after an injury. He is a Liverpudlian. Not sure on the rest of his background other then LB/CB or can he play MF too ?

    Blackburn definitely keep punching above their weight considering the clubs they compete with.

    As you say JRSG, u14 Albert Phelan Cup Northern winners 2017/18 . That group has Charlie Weston , Adam Wharton (England 04s) but also Harry Leonard who is held in high regard. One or two others clearly.

    They also won a combined 15s/14s tournament at Wolves the other day and their 14s seem decent as they have qualified for QF of this years Albert Phelan Cup in a group containing u13 National Champs (Liverpool) & Nottm Forest (u13 Northern Semi-finalists) from 2017/18. Obviously a few in the group to watch like former City GK Jay Jay Bristol-Thompson, George Chmiel but for 05 England next year it looks like Milan Allison is one to watch/remember.
     
  8. FrankHampson

    FrankHampson Member

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    England
    Feb 25, 2019
    Milan Allison is late 04
     
  9. Garibaldi11

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    Mar 23, 2011
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  10. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
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    Births only have to be registered within 42 days, so a kid born in December or even late-November might not be registered until the start of the following year.
     
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  11. FrankHampson

    FrankHampson Member

    Man United
    England
    Feb 25, 2019
    He’s a right back/ right midfielder. Jay jay quality goalkeeper. Not sure George proper postion plays a variety from right back to number 9 so anyone’s guess. Heard he qualifies for Poland through his grandad
     
  12. JRSG

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    Mar 25, 2015
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    Dembele looking ridiculously sharp here. Oko-Flex also playing.
     
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  13. Juni

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    Nov 26, 2010
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    I wonder if Rodgers' departure from Celtic combined with the usual big clubs from England still being after him might see any change in where Dembele plays next season.
     
  14. Garibaldi11

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    Mar 23, 2011
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    1102594725289304066 is not a valid tweet id
     
  15. Juni

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    Nov 26, 2010
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    EDIT: Got the wrong end of the stick, nothing here.
     
  16. Garibaldi11

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    Mar 23, 2011
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  17. JRSG

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    Mar 25, 2015
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    It's interesting how much Germany have gone after Nmecha, Bennetts + Musiala so far.

    Still no Moukoko in their U16 squad, which remains suspicious.
     
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  18. JRSG

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    Mar 25, 2015
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    On this topic, does anyone have clarification on the 'one time switch' rule and how it's applied to underage tournaments?
     
  19. Juni

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    Nov 26, 2010
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    Chelsea FC
    This is the wording in the rules.

    Assuming the provisions above are met, the important line is he may, only once, request to change the association for which he is eligible to play international matches to the association of another country of which he holds nationality.

    So it doesn't matter what age he is, he can only apply for a change once, as long as he hasn't made an official competitive appearance at senior level. If he's done that, he can't change at all.

    You can also imply from this that you needn't apply for a change until you've committed yourself to a country, and you can only commit yourself in an official match at any age group (that's a principle in its own right). Once you have, you only get one do-over. At least that's my interpretation of the rule.
     
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  20. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
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    I think that's right. It isn't explicitly stated in the rules as far as I've seen, but the rules haven't changed for a while, so we can glean a bit about how they're applied from what's happened in practice.

    Numerous players have gone back and forth without restriction at under-15 and under-16 level. That suggests to me that you only have to formally register yourself with an association when you first accept a call-up to play in an official tournament run by a confederation or FIFA, i.e. for England, any of the various youth or senior Euros (qualifiers or finals) or any of the various youth or senior World Cups (qualifiers or finals). Add in the Nations League too now.

    Basically:
    -Until you play in an official youth or senior tournament, you can play for multiple countries without restriction. That's obviously subject to any rules stipulated by the organisers of unofficial tournaments, but you're unrestricted by FIFA.
    -If you've played in an official youth tournament but not an official senior tournament for country A, you can apply to switch associations to country B (provided that you were eligible for country B before you played for country A). This is a one-time switch that will then tie you to country B for the rest of your career.
    -If you've played in an official senior tournament, you're tied to your association for the rest of your career regardless of what came before.
     
  21. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
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    FC Bayern München
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    Germany
    well why wouldn't we? Musiala is born in Germany to a German mother and even played in Germany before he ever played in England. F.Nmecha also born in Germany to a German mother, he moved to England when he was 5-6 or something.

    Bennetts born in England to German mother hasn't been involved with Germany since U15. Although he's currently struggling with fitness issues and is still a II player. Based on more recent comments he's open to his options and not provisionally capped by anyone. Recall his dad said that England only started to get interested in him after Germany started to call him up. He also speaks German and used to visit every year due to family.

    the other one Glatzel is born to 2 German parents.

    Moukoko is supposedly a 04 which equals U15 and U15 is nothing but camps.
     
  22. JRSG

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    Mar 25, 2015
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    It's just interesting that you seem to be willing to keep calling them up, no matter what they do. I know why the qualify. Not saying it's a bad or good policy, just an interesting one, because they seemingly always have a squad place, no matter how many times they turn it down.

    Sure, but Moukoko made his Germany U16 debut in 2017 and hasn't been called up since. He's also been kept in the U17 league despite scoring 73 games in 47 games. It's clearly a strange situation where they have little idea how to handle him from a club + international stand point, as nobody is sure how old he really is.
     
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  23. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
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    FC Bayern München
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    Germany
    since this is U16 talk, why wouldn't we call up Musiala? He's produced in Germany to begin with. From what I've seen Musiala is a flip flopper anyways, he goes from England to Germany over and over. You stop calling him up and his choice will be easy to make, you keep calling him up and his choice will be less simple. He has until the Euro U17 Qualifiers to really make a choice.

    Moukoko they said last year that he's talking a break from dfb, even his Dortmund U17 coach said it's good as their is way too much pressure and press around him. Its why no 2018-present call ups. They want to let the boy relax and focus on club, besides their is nothing relevant until U17 NT anyways. Whether he's a faker or not, only time will tell.
     
  24. markdavies17

    markdavies17 Member

    Oct 28, 2016
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    Manchester United FC
    What does his age and “supposed age” have to do with a lack of call up at international level? Where’s the correlation? As you say, he made his debut at u16 level when he was 12/13 (whether we like it or not, that’s his given age) and his record at that point showed he was already too good for it, as his exploits for Dortmund U17 have since shown. I don’t see any problem with him not being called up for u16s, as it’s not competive football and he’s not losing anything significant by not playing with that group. Talking about how he’s being handled by club + country, “due to not being sure how old he really is” is nothing more than speculation at this point.
     
  25. JRSG

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    Mar 25, 2015
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    Torquay United
    Well Dortmund have admitted they aren't entirely sure how old he is.
     

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