Rape/Sexual Assault Culture

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Sheriff, my post very clearly addressed what was happening in the Racism thread!

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47123137

A US judge has found that two girls, aged 13 and 14, were partly to blame in a sex abuse case involving a 67-year-old man - and reduced his sentence.

County District Judge Michael Gibbens said "the victims in this case, in particular, were more an aggressor than a participant in the criminal conduct".

He reduced the sentence of Raymond Soden, who was convicted last year.

Prosecutors are considering an appeal. A child rights group said the girls were the victims, not the aggressors.

Soden was sentenced to five years and 10 months in prison, less than the minimum of 13 years called for by Kansas sentencing guidelines.

The judge said the girls went to Soden's house voluntarily and had taken money for sexual favours.

"They were certainly selling things monetarily that it's against the law for even an adult to sell."


https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article225016850.html

...In doing so, the judge opined that the girls, who were both younger than 15, were partly to blame for what happened and questioned how much they were harmed. The judge pointed out that the children went to Soden’s house voluntarily and didn’t appear in court when he was sentenced.

“I do find that the victims in this case, in particular, were more an aggressor than a participant in the criminal conduct,” Gibbens said before sentencing Soden. “They were certainly selling things monetarily that it’s against the law for even an adult to sell.”


The judge declined a request to comment for this story.



I'm moved to near vomiting at the level of conservatism on display here. Do these people just live every day in their own little world where teenage girls are old enough to breed soon's they're old enough to bleed or something?

Gibbens is a grad of Baker University (Methodist school, sadly) and Washburn University (Notable alum: Fred Phelps) school of Law. Worst part of all this is, he was appointed by Kathleen Sebelius, a female Dem.

 

Regarding your last line:

https://www.leavenworthtimes.com/article/20101030/NEWS/310309916

Judge Michael D. Gibbens of Leavenworth told the Leavenworth Times he made political contributions to Sebelius during her 2002 campaign for governor, but gave nothing in 2006.

Gibbens was appointed district judge by the governor in 2008.

Gibbens said he also made contributions to many other Democratic candidates over the years, both local and statewide.

“I donate to causes all the time, ones I believe in,” Gibbens said. “They’ve all been Democrat. I have never hidden from the fact that I am a Democrat.”
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This is how unpopular the act of even remotely standing up for POCs (because I don't believe the Dems do it all the time) has become...

 

“flirted” https://t.co/PSa0i6W5Wk

— . (@swordsjew) February 5, 2019

Seems like there are way too many of these stories out there. Holy shit.

 

"Why don't women like catcalling? It's a cooooooooompliment" ::whine::

 

My alma mater

 

I worked with a guy who taught there in the late 40s. He got fired. By God.

The dean or President or whomever called him into his office, bowed his head, prayed for Wisdom to make the right decision, etc. He then kept silent for a minute. Looked up, said, "Fred, with God's help, I have come to the conclusion that it is right for both Baker College and for you, to fire you, effective at the end of the semester."

Luckily, it was easier to get a job in those days. God was generous with his reference, I would guess.

 

On this point, there was a highly publicized case here a few years ago where a woman had been raped, knew her rapist, had reported it... Only the man had been released pending his trial and the husband of the victim grew so frustrated with that he drove to the rapist's home one night with the intention to harm him/potentially kill him. The only reason it didn't end up a total drama was the fact that his wife called the cops on him and they intercepted him before he reached his target.

But yeah, I'm pretty sure that lady didn't need this extra bullshit on top of having been raped.

 

#MeToo goes male, as a male celebrity leaves a charity event after being groped -

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/colton-un...-leaving-190606187--abc-news-celebrities.html

 

R Kelly may finally heads up to jail. Good riddance.
Hopefully, Epstein will be next!

JUST IN: Judge sets R. Kelly bond at $1 million after he is charged with 10 counts of aggravated criminal sex abuse https://t.co/n6bv9pgBeF pic.twitter.com/y80Cu9ecWx

— The Hill (@thehill) February 23, 2019

 

R Kelly has been locked up and gone to trial before.

 

My eyes actually hurt from rolling after reading that.

 

Speaking only for myself, the suggestion that anything has really changed, given that even post-Cosby/Weinstein/Nassar (your landmarks of choice), we still live in a country where this kind of shit still happens.

 

Got to say, I can easily believe the judge in that case was reacting appropriately to the actual facts. Hasn't anyone here ever been aggressed by an underaged girl? It is perfectly reasonable to expect a grown man to resist such aggression, but you'll note the judge didn't let him off-- he may well die in prison.

There are certainly scenarios where the child attempts to exploit contemporary conditions for perceived gain. There were girls in my junior high class who were quite capable of such behavior; and are adult males in my ken who are pretty poorly equipped to handle such situations...

Part of the idea in having judges is to let the guy in the room use his judgement.

 

To you and who else? If things had truly changed as far as judges are concerned, then a judge would not let off a 67 year old perp on the grounds that his underage victims had it coming.

R. Kelly may indeed go to jail for real time now; but I don't see any more evidence that things have fundamentally changed regarding sexual assault than I do that things have fundamentally changed regarding racism.

 

I'm just going to assume that this post was intended as a bit of black comedy/satire. A sort of Modest Proposal, as it were. The alternative is too sick.

 

If people were not aware, why was he previously arrested and prosecuted?

People were aware of predators. Prosecutors were aware of predators. Public awareness, acceptance and complacency have nothing to do with why that guy walked free. I don't wish to go down this counterproductive path more.

"People were not as aware of [insert bad shit] as they are now, and that includes prosecutors" is not an excuse or defense and comes off as an argument for the sake of arguing.

 

Well. that's a sterling example of reasoned discussion...

 

Epstein’s case was buried because of the people that would go down with him. Period.