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Inter coach Spalletti on Lautaro today:

"He had an important responsibility and you have to praise him because he made a great performance," said the Inter coach. "He held the ball up, he pressed, he won the penalty and scored it. Much of the result is due to his desire to fight for every ball.

"He is at ease in the centre-forward role, but he will have to prove that he can always be lethal inside the area."

 

Seems that Lautaro has stepped up his game in recent weeks.

 

Argentina right now has the best crop of managers in world football, certainly ahead of France: Bielsa, Gareca, Pekerman, Martino, Diaz among the veterans, plus Pochettino, Simeone, Gallardo, Solari, Barros Schelotto, Scaloni, Coudet from the younger generation.

 

Other than Allegri, all other Italian managers have lost their standing. It's too bad Sarri, the only one of the Italian managers who follows the Guardiola philosophy, is having a hard time with Chelsea. The others, including Capello, Ranieri, Ancelotti, Mancini, Conte, Spalletti, have gone the way of the dodo along with Italian tactics since 2008.

It's not very relevant what Spalletti has to say on young players of today.

 

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Well, if she's going to pounce, she better do it soon. Mauro is almost 26, she split with Maxi when he was 28 and married Mauro when he was 21ish...? Colidio just turned 20... She has 5 kids and looking a bit long in the tooth... Who's going to want that?

And she has demanded 10ME per from Inter, and Inter is standing at 7. I think there is a reason some clubs will shy away from him. She's a parasite.

 

Great goal by Dybala. Amazing that when he's in form, he's literally the best left footer after Messi.

Icardi could end up squandering his talent like Adriano. It sucks that he has that parasite wife.

 

Dybala needs to leave Juventus. The fans would like to see Allegri leave Juventus. He will not learn and grow as the main man while Cristina is in town.

Take the plunge young man and bring the responsibility on your shoulders and lead a team in Spain or England.

As for the u20 I still cannot fathom Batista as a coach. The team took a while to meld together but for many minutes in each match they looked over matched and lacking the requisite technical skill and flair I expect to see in an Argentine selection. The play was direct and lacking finesse.

I would like to see Batista removed before the trip to Poland. A month training camp with all the players selected beforehand and a combination of Aimar and Beccacece in charge. The latter was pointing out to the bald fraud (not Guardiola this time but Sampaoli) in the summer what he was doing was wrong but was ignored and left as quickly as he could. He is doing a great job at Defensa.

Batista's player choices were mystifying as well and his substitutions as well. I don't think too much of Gaich upfront. His technical level is well below what is needed for a future top class striker. Amazingly Colidio was sparingly used.

Almada and de la Vega played very well. They both have ease and composure on the ball and the technical trickery and flair to be match winners. Paz also showed this at the back and his reading of the game ie when to drop off and when to commit is second to none. Roffo was very good in goal although he needs to work on his distribution and coming for crosses.

Fingers crossed when we actually get a proper u20 coach there will be reinforcements like Garre, Almendra, Ferreira for example in midfield.

The defensive corps is lining up nicely for the Copa although Romero should not be picked in goal. Apparently although offered the chance of first team football at several clubs he wants to stay bench warming at Old Trafford even though the hierarchy there would like to see him leave.

Goalkeeping wise you have Mr.Armani and Musso and Gazzaniga (must practice coming for crosses). Right backs Saravia and and Leonardo Godoy of Talleres. Centrebacks a good combination of the traditional 2 & 6. Pezzella and Otamendi. Romero and Kannemann. Left back Tagliafico who had another excellent game in the CL and one other.

For the Copa I would recall Messi, Otamendi and Aguero. The last has been in excellent form since his troublesome knee was fully repaired. I am still uncertain about di Maria despite his performance this season. He is too inconsistent and perhaps should only be an impact sub. de Paul gets my vote ahead of him.

Pereyra has been off form recently and is currently injured while Cervi has not been developing his game at Benfica and is not learning to pick passes or play with his head up trying to do much and as a consequence has been dropped to the bench.

Sala's funeral will be today in Progreso. RIP. A humble lad and immense favourite at Nantes who made the most of himself as a player which other youngsters should look to as an example. We (Watford) did make a bid in the summer of 2018 for him at £13M which was rejected. A real shame. The Nantes fans gave him a wonderful and moving send off.

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Dybala is just not good enough to be top dog in a top club, that's the hard truth many fanboys here can't digest.

Yes, he scores the occasional amazing goal against small teams, but that's about what he does. He plays an important game and he's invisible 8 times out of 10.

 

Dybala has scored 5 goals in 5 games so far in CL. He has goals against Bayern munich , Spurs, Porto & Barcelona at CL knockout stage, has scored against MU this season. In league he has scored against teams like Inter, Napoli, Roma and Lazio , and those are teams that has been serie A top 5 in last 3 seasons.

So what's your top dog criteria? PSG , Arsenal ? or Fullham and Crystal palace?

 

I said 8 out of 10 times, not never. He's been at Juventus 4 years almost and those are the only relevant goals he scored. And in some of those matches he actually played poorly despite scoring (ie tottenham). In derbys he was invisible against Napoli and Inter last season and the current one he hasn't done much in them either.

He's quite a good player but he isn't among the worlds best. He has too many ghost performances for someone who pretends to be at the same level as Griezmann or Salah.

 

He carried Juventus to the league last season. He scored crucial goals that willed Juve to the title. Just look at the goal v Lazio. Napoli would’ve won the title last season if it wasn’t for Dybala’s heroics.

He’s at a club with a pragmatic manager who would rather win 1-0 than 5-2.

And as for Salah... He was mediocre in Italy, yes? Then finally under Klopp, who plays an expressive game allowed him to be free and there you have it.

 

I actually partly agree with this.

As much as I like Dybala to succeed, I am not sure he will ever reach Aguero's level, to be honest --- which admittedly, is very high.

I would be extremely happy to be proven wrong, but I haven't seen it yet.

 

Some people are just getting used to see Messi and Aguero in last 10 years, they;re the only two Argentines that scoring and performing at highest level week and week out. People just subconsciously think a player isnt great if they're not as consistent as those two.

 

Lol if dybala is overrated then I don't know what to make of the likes of isco, bale, hazard ect

Who do you rate
Dybala already dominated the league with Palermo nothing to prove in derby with Juve shit playstyle.

 

I guess our definition of domination is different.

Platini dominated the league, Maradona dominated the league, Van Basten dominated the league.

Later on, Beppe Signori, Roby Baggio, Zola, Alex Del Piero, Totti, Batistuta, Crespo, Shevchenko, and Zlatan have dominated the league.

Dybala has had some excellent games and seasons, but he really hasn’t dominated the league.

The question being asked is not that Dybala is not a great player; the question is if he is at the elite level yet.

To me, he isn’t so far.

 

I always thought Gullit was more dominant than Van Basten in Serie A.

 

To be fair, you are probably right... it was always very close between Gullit and Van Basten.

Not to veer away from topic here, though.

 

I love Bati but dominated the league? Throughout his career, he won a single league title. Prolific goal scorer and put fear in the hearts and minds in defenders, men wanted to be him and women wanted to be with him, and another thing... wait, what was I talking about? Oh, that's right... but I wouldn't say he dominated the Serie A, he was a dominant force. No doubt he would've won far more titles if he had moved from Florence much earlier. But I think he has some regret for not making a move a bit earlier in his career.

Same could be said about most of the players you mentioned in that list. Who has dominated the Serie A in the last 5-10 seasons? Can you name a single player?

I am not saying Dybala has dominated the league but there is no doubt he has been one of the best players in the league in the last few years. I believe once Dybala leaves and plays for a manager where attacking football is encouraged then we can make an assessment. Because when I remember him at his last season at Palermo, 13 goals and 10 assists for a club like Palermo, as a 21-year-old.

I know judging a player by a video is never a proper measuring stick but I watched his games at Palermo and I would come here and gloat about him. So, what happened? The answer has been discussed here for a few years now. He isn't playing with a sense of freedom anymore. I don't think he's following in the path of Pastore, who was content of just going to Paris and just having a celebrity lifestyle. When Paulo is subbed off or not subbed on, he shows anger and passion for not being played or being taken off. His desire is still there.



Few players dominate and will their team to titles. Messi is an exception in La Liga.

 

Indeed, loco, indeed. Not to mention Cristian Romero, who has been linked to Juve. We have Pezzella and Mammana(Who we all hope will leave) and sure, they aren't as young as the others but it really is fantastic having a new batch of defenders that could take over in the near future. Not to mention, who can spring up in the next couple of years. The future is looking pretty good.

Lo Celso with another goal day, at least one Canalla scored today...

 

Dybala in last 3 seasons is pretty much Messi in NT circa 2008-2011 when he's forced to play as fake midfielder 40 yards from the goal.

Even Messi couldnt do jackshit in WC and qualifier 2010 cause Diego forced him to do a triple task and placed him in midfield.

16 goals in 65 games is not something you expect from someone like Messi, but you played him as goalscorer, he suddenly bang 26 goals in 26 games under Sabella.

As SM said, Dybala should have been playing in same position like when he played at Palermo & first season with Juve. Allegeri kNows he's more skillfull than a typical #9 so he sold Pogba thus forcing Dybala to take the creative
Duty aswell.

Today's version of Messi might playing deeper and run less but there's only one Messi, a guy who can score & setup a goal from midfield every week. Dybala clearly uncomfortable with his position and people seems to ignored the fact that he scored more than 25 goals last season.

He actually had the best season in his career in terms of goal ratio, yet its considered as failure. You know how good he is when 26 goals is considered bad season.

 

Forget historical figures
Name a better player from dybala generation
Argentine or otherwise
I will wait here