The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    740 million is the population within the geographical boundaries of Europe.

    The 2018 competition included Australia, the non-European parts of Turkey, Russia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Spain, Holland and France, plus Israel. That takes it to well over 800 million :thumbsup:
     
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  2. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
    Cincilluminati
    Club:
    Los Angeles Sol
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    One of my all-time favorite bloggers wrote a piece recently detailing the "Fricker Plan" going through the following stages: (Thesis) multi-division pro/rel set-up, (antithesis) absolutely no interest whatsoever from any investor anywhere, (synthesis) first division 8-12. All this before Fricker was bounced from office. The single entity model had to wait until Rothenberg, but pro/rel had been dead before he was elected.

    No professional American sports league will ever promote and relegate.

    EDIT - I think Stoke is your new oldest club in the world if Notts County goes nipples-north. EDIT EDIT - pro club. EDIT EDIT EDIT - professional association football club. EDITx4 - you probably figured that out before Edit #2, though
     
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  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you'll find the UPSL (not to be confused with USPL or USPS) southern Californian edition already does :)

    The argument goes that Stoke are a phoenix club having gone bankrupt in 1907 and not rejoined the league until 1919.
     
  4. Yup, we were the only ones in modern times to invade the UK and beat the crap out of them....and the added Ireland to it.
    So us and ze Jermans is scary.
    What if we joined our national teams:eek:
     
  5. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He was a billionaire before bought the Redskins.

    The team is one of his "toys".
     
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  6. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    You'll qualify for the World Cup?
     
  7. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
    Cincilluminati
    Club:
    Los Angeles Sol
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    Are they paying players?
     
  8. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh really? Have you seen this?

    https://www.superyachtfan.com/superyacht_eclipse.html

    Oh and how about Arsenal's majority shareholder?

    https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht-jubilee.html

    Who btw also owns multiple American Professional Teams as well...........

    How about Malcolm Glazer's yacht?

    [​IMG]

    Tampa Bay Bucs (NFL) & Man Utd.....
     
  9. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Pro/rel will bring yachts to everyone and SUM doesn't want that.
     
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  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    a. The 400s are "modern times"?
    b. The French Norsemen were the last people to successfully invade England, in 1066.
     
  11. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aren't most of those European countries ;)

    When I did a quick look up for the Euro pop I saw that there were outside countries included but also that non every Euro country participated so left it as the gen pop.
     
  12. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stan Kroenke is part of SUM......................:eek:
     
  13. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True players could do that but to win a cheesy corner you'd have to get the ball down near the opponents goal in the first place. Maybe it does mean that an isolated attacker tries to win a corner instead of blasting it from 30 yards, but that's not necessarily a negative, IMHO.
     
  14. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True but I say this with complete sincerity, it would be even more interesting with one.
     
  15. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He technically no longer owns those things, on account of him being dead.
     
  16. Sorry, you need to reread your history books, or it could be they swept it under the carpet.
    First we gave a warning to stop mocking around by raiding Chatham ( we captured warships) Chatham by Michiel de Ruyter in 1667.
    So no 400 my friend.
    Battle of Medway - The History - Chatham Historic Dockyard Trust

    https://thedockyard.co.uk/plan-your-visit/.../battle-medway-history...

    Vertaal deze pagina

    Sometimes called the Battle of the Medway, The Dutch Raid or the Battle of Chatham, it was a successful and daring attack conducted by the Dutch fleet
    , ...

    AS the English didnot listen we invaded again 21 years later

    "With a Dutch army, William landed at Brixham in southwest England on 5 November 1688.[72] He came ashore from the ship Brill, proclaiming "the liberties of England and the Protestant religion I will maintain". William's fleet was vastly larger than the Spanish Armada 100 years earlier: approximately 250 carrier ships and 60 fishing boats carried 35,000 men, including 11,000-foot and 4,000 horse soldiers.[73] James's support began to dissolve almost immediately upon William's arrival"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_III_of_England#Invasion_of_England
    The memories of that still are present today in the NI Orange Orders as William defeated the Catholics decsively in Northern Ireland.

    Recently the UK got on loan the Stern of their warship Royal Charles we captured in the Medway raid.
    [​IMG]
     
  17. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ach, we don't count that as an invasion, more of a revolution.
     
  18. :ROFLMAO:
    A fleet larger than the Spanish Armada came knocking and the English only talk about the Armada. Maybe because that one you did beat.;)
     
  19. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Maybe your owner isn't the brightest spark?

    "The first one wished him a merry Christmas and the other said he had ruined the club, although one of the screenshots appears to show the businessman’s picture gallery from his phone, which featured a picture of his penis."

    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...pologises-for-posting-intimate-picture-online
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's a successful local businessman.

    He challenged a speeding ticket for doing 77 mph in a 40 mph zone by arguing that he's a very busy businessman and couldn't get to all his meetings on time without speeding.
     
  21. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    What a dick.
     
  22. It's so mean.
    Investors loose money after Feyenoord trashed Ajax 6-2.
    The stock dropped from a high of 16.65 €€ 5% to 15.65 to end monday with a 1.2% loss at 16.25.
    It's so mean that investors lose money just because a couple of players were lousy in one match or the opponent was far too good.



    Ajax ook onderuit op beurs
    Updated Gisteren, 17:56
    Gisteren, 10:05 in FINANCIEEL
    Amsterdam (DFT) - De 6-2 nederlaag van Ajax tegen aartsrivaal Feyenoord is ook slecht gevallen op de Amsterdamse beurs. De beurskoers van Ajax daalde maandagochtend bijna 5% naar €15,65 en sloot met 1,2% verlies bij €16,25.

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    Ⓒ BOUWMAN, RENE

    Afgelopen vrijdag bereikte het aandeel Ajax bij een koers van €16,65 het hoogste punt ooit. De voetbalclub was daarmee circa €300 miljoen waard.
     
  23. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Oh joy.

    Gloating about people killing each other over slightly different religious beliefs.

    What relevance does this have to soccer, the US or pro/rel?
     
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  24. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the opponent is far too good ... what are they doing on the field with them in the first place?


    I also love Pochettino's wet blanket of reality on everyone's fire of fun.
     
  25. CrazyJ628

    CrazyJ628 Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    The center of the Earth
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    We've already been told that some countries have better transit systems because of pro/rel so, maybe there's a case to be made.

    Tottenham's injury bug illustrates a good point. Spurs lost Kane, Sissoko, Dele Alli, Davies and Son. Now they went from EPL title contenders to hoping to maybe finish top 6 if the injury problems persist. None of this was the fault of ownership, management or players. It was sheer dumb luck. The good news is that because Tottenham is rich and was able to buy enough good players, they won't have to worry about falling completely out of the top flight and at most, this might ruin their UCL chances. They also have enough cash to go buy a few players to make up for their losses too.

    What if this happened to Palace or Southampton? Would they be able to recover? Would it be fair for them to lose out on the top flight because of sheer dumb luck? I'm not suggesting EPL drop pro/rel but I sure am glad that we don't have it in the US for this reason and a plethora of others.
     
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