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  1. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Real Madrid
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    They expected Arsenal Alexis and he has been a big flop. And these flop investments have a financial impact on future transfers unless you have oil money coming in. Barca overpaid for Coutinho too and now has to hope his EPL hype could help them recoup at least 100 ME. No one thought Renato Sanches would flop at Bayern after seeing him in Euro 2016. And 35 ME at that time was seen as a big investment for a prospect.
     
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  2. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yeah, signings don't always work out with hindsight. In the Alexis case tho we knew at the time he signed that it was crazy. 35ME a year until he's 35! He was already in decline in his last 6-12 months at Arsenal.
     
  3. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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  4. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    Club:
    Reading FC
    listened to a good podcast interview with Carlos Carvalhal last year who managed Renato Sanches as Swansea and is a fellow countryman of his. He was trying to explain politely why things hadn't gone well for him since his move but it was very obvious he was saying that Sanches is like a kid who hasn't grown up. He said in Portugal there was for a long time a tradition that young players at top clubs still had to continue formal education and would be a college or uni while training and it helped them learn life skills and generally taught them how to deal with normal things. He said Sanches is a symbol of that system no longer being in place
     
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  5. S1na

    S1na Member+

    Real Madrid
    Jun 1, 2014
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    Iran
    After all those advertisement over the best academy in the world. The la masia pride. lol never gets old.

    First was that bragging about Unicef support. Then la masia. What's next? Erasing the slogan? Not so mes que un club after all, huh?
     
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  6. Halycon

    Halycon Member+

    Aug 24, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Dembele has been scoring decisive goals for Barca this season or it it more important what he does outside football? Is that we we do nowadays read tabloids and base an opinion, rather than watching a player play?

    De Jong will be fine too, soon to become an elite midfielder. He reminds me of Redondo, he is very allround, his reading of the game is amazing. Completely dominated the midfield against France. Against Germany he was decent.

    Only Coutinho has been a doubtful purchase. 160M for a player who still doesn't know if he is a midfielder or a winger is too much.
     
  7. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    #17782 robnycus, Jan 23, 2019
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    Coutinho is simply facing the same problem other players like him will face in most teams. They are 10s who thrive when they are givien enough freedom to create plays from anywhere on the pitch but that role is basically obsolte in modern football so they are ask them to play as wingers.
    Barca already have Messi for that and I am guessing they dont like his defensive work to move him to the midfield.
     
  8. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Redondo had strong defensive foundation. Dude marked out Zidane in a CL final. De Jong is not close to that kind of profile. He's more Xabi Alonso like in defense.
     
  9. MiamiNative0722

    MiamiNative0722 Member+

    May 25, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    United States
    #17784 MiamiNative0722, Jan 23, 2019
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    Totally official now

    From their website: "The cost of the transfer operation is 75 million euros, plus a further 11 million in variables. The player will be signing a contract for the next five seasons, through to 2023/24."

    The market is wild. 10 years ago, a fee like that got you a prime Cristiano Ronaldo fresh off of winning the Champions League. Now it gets you a promising youngster from the Netherlands.
     
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  10. Halycon

    Halycon Member+

    Aug 24, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Its what he can become. he is nothing like xabi alonso in whatsoever don't know where u got that from.
     
  11. S1na

    S1na Member+

    Real Madrid
    Jun 1, 2014
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Hope he flops hard.
     
  12. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    United States
    Maybe they will bench Biscuits for him and there's a catalonian revolt or vice versa they are unwilling to play him with the starters and he stagnates.
     
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  13. Digital

    Digital Member+

    Dec 10, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    As long as he plays for Farca I could care less, my focus is on Llorente growing
     
  14. Deep Pal

    Deep Pal Member+

    Jun 19, 2013
    India,Kolkata
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    Midfield is the last area we need to be concerned about right now or the foreseeable future.
     
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  15. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Real Madrid
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    His best attribute is passing and dribbling. Redondo was a master at defending. He was very complete midfielder with his defense, passing and dribbling. Only thing he lacked was goals. I am not sold that you can play with De Jong as your best defensive player in midfield. Especially at the highest level in big CL games. Xabi averaged same number of tackles as De Jong, but that doesn't mean he was a world class DM. He was in the starting XI due to his passing.
     
  16. Ayayain

    Ayayain Member+

    Real Madrid
    Nov 29, 2017
    Barcelona is also planning to sign De Ligt for 90ME even if Raiola is an obstacle (De Telegraaf)

    150% wage bill incoming. And I bet FFP won't bat an eye.
     
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  17. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    This is the reality.

    So far only Coutinho seems to be a bust. If they can get Demebele to mature... watch out.

    Anyways, I just hope we make the right moves ourselves. Starting with Eriksen.
     
  18. MiamiNative0722

    MiamiNative0722 Member+

    May 25, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who will be the better player, De Ligt or Militao? Can't seem to find a comparison online
     
  19. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Real Madrid
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    --other--
    And they have a new stadium project which could cost 600 ME. While their revenue is below us. They must have some secret source to spend this much on defenders and CMs on top of Coutinho and Dembele.
     
  20. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    It's all the savings they made going from printing in colour to black and white.
     
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  21. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    --other--
    Only time will tell. Militao will cost 50 ME plus maybe 3 ME in wages. De Ligt will cost as much as De Jong in transfer fee and wages. Commission won't be any less either with Raiola. If you take top 5 best defenders in the world, difference isn't that huge unlike Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar and whoever etc. Only difference is if you can add a bunch of key goals too like Ramos has done. Say if Militao is the next Pepe, what would De Ligt need to be to justify that much money? And in worst case where both flop, we don't lose as much money.
     
  22. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    I posted an article which said their revenue last year was 1B and ours 800m
     
  23. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    They include player sales and we don't. Wait for Deloitte Money League list which doesn't include player sales.
     
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  24. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
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    New York Cosmos
    Why exclude player sales btw? Just curious.
    The forbes article right now is the one to go by until this deloitte report comes up.
     
  25. Ayayain

    Ayayain Member+

    Real Madrid
    Nov 29, 2017
    Don't forget that when Barto announces that he signed De Jong for 75+11ME, he:

    - Doesn't include the agents bonuses.
    - Can lie, like they lied about Neymar.


    All in all, this transfer is +100ME.
     
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