Premier League/Football League 2018-19 Assignments and Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by code1390, Aug 7, 2018.

  1. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kasper Schmeichel ends the first half chewing out Kavanagh toward the dressing room. That's an interesting way to project the frustration of Leicester's defense having an abysmal first half.

    If I'm him, I'm focusing my energy on telling my defense to mark a guy 8 yards from goal and being able to effectively transition and clear a ball.
     
  2. RefIADad

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    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure if it's a new EFL-Premier League directive, but Kavanagh dismissed NES to the stands after he came on the field following Wolves' last goal (and what a goal it was!).

    NES did not argue at all, so perhaps after Klopp's reaction after the LIV-EVE game this came down from on high. Seems pretty harsh to me. I can definitely understand a warning. This seems like a great example of why visible cards for coaches would be a good thing. Definitely a caution for entering the field without permission, but in no way should that have warranted a dismissal unless the FA and EFL communicated this. NES wasn't taunting, he wasn't overly exuberant, and it really just seemed like he was coming on to celebrate first and then told his players to get on with it and finish the game.

    On a related note, that was a hell of a game.
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why should running onto the field only be a warning? Do we want every coach or bench personnel running on the field once in a match?

    This is actually one of the reasons I don’t like the cards for coaches. On top of equating them with players, it has the potential of forcing us to allow behavior that we previously wouldn’t tolerate. Right now running on the field is irresponsible behavior and you’re sent to the stands. If we start handing out yellow cards to coaches, does it become delaying the restart?

    Seems like, for reasons I can’t quite comprehend (announcers aren’t always clear when someone has been dismissed is the best reason I can come up with), we could be on a path toward tolerating worse bench behavior rather than instilling more discipline.
     
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  4. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

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    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
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    United States
    #504 RefIADad, Jan 19, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2019
    It’s all about context.

    The way Nuno came onto the field was nowhere close to being at the level of a dismissal. It was much less provocative than Klopp’s actions at the end of Liverpool-Everton, which didn’t result in a dismissal (but did result in a later fine).

    If he comes flying onto the field to berate Kavanagh, then by all means it’s a dismissal. This one could easily have been handled with a caution and adding time (which Kavanagh did since they played over five minutes when 3 went on the board).

    Nuno will likely get a touch line ban for his dismissal, which in my mind is way too harsh (particularly since Klopp wasn’t given a ban). If he’s cautioned, it’s a fair sanction in my opinion.
     
  5. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    It's not a new directive. It's been around for a while -- it was missed by the whole crew in the Klopp incident due to the excessive celebrations by the players at the time.

    We hold team officials to a higher standard than players... that means the line to not cross comes far sooner.

    To me that dismissal today? Excellent.
     
  6. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

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    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m all about consistency. If Klopp should have been dismissed, then make Nuno’s penalty the same as Klopp’s-in other words, no additional touch line ban.

    This isn’t about me disliking Klopp. On the contrary, I’m a big fan. The passion he shows and the confidence he instills in his players is great to see. I just think the FA needs to make Nuno’s penalty similar and say from now on, this behavior is a dismissal with the appropriate additional penalties. To do anything different reeks of favoritism toward one of the big clubs.
     
  7. MJ91

    MJ91 Member

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    Jan 14, 2019
    #507 MJ91, Jan 20, 2019
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    Huddersfield v Man City today, MC's Sterling goes down in PA around 13' into 1st, replay shows contact that I think's a clear foul -> PK.

    Anyone able to interpret CR's (Marriner?) "No" signal? Was he indicating "not a foul", "not pk worthy", or "I didn't have a good view"?

    AR's in EPL not going to conference CR on that one?

    I don't get to watch much EPL, but knee surgery has me laid up for a bit... Curious on it.
     
  8. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    They are on radio sets. If the AR had info to share, it was shared.
     
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  9. MJ91

    MJ91 Member

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    Jan 14, 2019
    Sorry, I didn't phrase that very well.

    It's the first play in the match highlights http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=3755015

    I'm assuming the CR was trailing a bit too far to see that the defender did not actually get a touch on the ball, but the AR might have been in position to see (obviously no way to know for sure). Or, maybe some would simply say "not enough there" regardless.

    Given what we can see on the replay, would that normally warrant a PK in EPL? If not, what makes it not enough? The CR seemed to indicate "No", and I'm curious what I'm missing...
     
  10. sulfur

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    Ontario, Canada
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  11. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    It's a missed penalty. I don't think you're missing anything, though your belief that the AR might be able to confidently help here seems ambitious.

    The AR's angle is tough because any contact is on the far side of the body. First, it's difficult from the touch line to see if the defender gets a touch on the ball. Even if the AR is confident that there was no touch, there would be some element of guessing from him in determining if Sterling was 100% fouled on the left side of his body OR if he opted to initiate contact to try to win a penalty.

    Marriner missed it; you can debate whether or not it's an understandable miss for him. But at the distance and perpendicular angle the AR is at, it's likely not a call he can make--particularly if the CR (who has an angle looking at the part of the incident the AR cannot see) is confident that it's not a foul.
     
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  12. MJ91

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    Jan 14, 2019
    #512 MJ91, Jan 20, 2019
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  13. SCV-Ref

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    Spurs
    Australia
    Feb 22, 2018
    Yep...At first I didn't think Sanchez deserved a yellow for his part, but looking at that angle I see him make a definitive move to retaliate to the wrestling that brought him down. Pretty harsh yellow though...and of course I'm looking through very biased Spurs eyes.
     
  14. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
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    Arsenal FC
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    That's a quite harsh description IMO. He does definitely seem to be on the way to retaliate but halfway through standing up he stops that motion and turns his back instead and then walks away. Unless he said something naughty I think it's a really poor caution to give, if anything he should be praised for keeping his emotions in check after being brought down that way. And I say this looking through somewhat biased Gunners eyes. :p
     
  15. balu

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  16. roby

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  17. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
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    I'd say the difference is more like 3 years thb... :D
     
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  18. balu

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    Oct 18, 2013
    Carabao Cup Semifinal Second Legs

    Burton - Man City: FRIEND (4O: Tierney, VAR: Pawson)
    Chelsea - Tottenham: ATKINSON (4O: Attwell, VAR: Marriner)

    Friend for the meaningless match, Atkinson a safe pair of hands for the critical London derby.
     
  19. balu

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    Oct 18, 2013
  20. balu

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    Oct 18, 2013
    Atkinson showed a yellow card to Sarri in today's Carabao Cup semi-final for protesting. Can't recall a referee showing a card to a manager in England.
     
  21. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    It's allowed in EFL matches starting this season. And the Carabao Cup is an EFL competition.
     
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  22. MassachusettsRef

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    FA Cup, too.

    And it is just a trial. Though if the IFAB keeps moving forward, that won't matter.
     
  23. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    OK. Besides this and Australia, where else is it allowed?
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

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    Washington, DC
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    Wherever a domestic FA asked for the opportunity to participate in the trial. It doesn't look like there's a list on the IFAB site, though, so I'm not sure you will find an authoritative source with a definitive answer.
     
  25. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Watching it live, it was slightly strange, even a bit contrived. Not sure if I really like it. Then again, I do acknowledge I have a strong predisposed bias against rule changes.
     

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