I, too, would rather we just play regular friendlies in its stead. It's one thing if two different teams win the league and the Coppa Italia. Then we can at least pretend there's some semblance of a competition. It's still essentially meaningless, but at least we're not trying to justify playing a team we've already routed 4-0, which then "qualifies" the losers to play for another "title." In that case, it would be better if the match was played between the league winners and the league runners-up. This was essentially just a charity benefit for meelan that they did nothing to earn or merit other than being thrashed by a superior team in a final. For us (which is all that matters), it's just a waste of time.
Yup For the players we have, we play nowhere near where we should be. Our attack should put fear into others but somehow we play this slow pace and ultra conservative system. This is why i dont get why people keep thinking we need player X, Y or Z.....at this point its not the staff, it the manager. We have all the talent in the world, no Isco, James or anyone will change that. Good teams that win CL know how to punish opponents in counters and on set pieces. Many times the game doesnt go your way and teams play 11 man defense against us, but we must find ways to break that down and sometimes that comes from a set piece or catching them on counters. Our counters end up passing ball back to Bonucci or Pjanic to start it all over again.
It was a glorified friendly, they have 3 games in 9 days. Why risk yourself for it? Allegri has won 10 trophies with Juve so far, yet people still whine about him because we're not playing tiki-take football. I can't wait until we get a new coach, play "beautiful" football then don't win shit.
The only style of football I enjoy is winning. Period. If I want tiki-take, then I can watch old Barca youtube videos (*vomits*). We win trophies with Allegri. And until that stops, he should go nowhere. The bitching and the whinging I will never understand.
So if i dont like something about my team or manager i should change it? Lol We are allowed to point out issues. You dont have to agree, just carry on.
Its not just this game, its every game Who talked about beautiful football? And who said tiki taka is beautiful?
You are a broken record. You repeat the same shit over and over. If your criticism had some validity, no problem. But you are unrealistic about this team and how this game is played. No team plays in the style you wish unless the rest of their opponents are patsies so there is no contest. You have been following Juventus and Serie A for years and yet do not understand how the game is played in Italy. So go find a team and league that suits your fantasy.
What competent manager would not be successful with this side and win the same trophies you want to laud Allegri for? FFS everyone here shits on Conte and he won the same trophies Allegri did with a lesser side. One can recognize that Allegri is a good manager and concede that we don't play the most compelling football. It's so annoying to hear how great Allegri is where what he has done is simply meet expectations with a juggernaut of a side. Outside of knocking off Barcelona and Real Madrid in those Champions League runs, what has Allegri done such that we should laud him as the second coming?
Allegri has won more with Juve (not just titles, but trophies as well. He won the Coppa Italia, Conte didn't) and taken them farther in Europe. Nobody has said he's the second coming, but he's also not shit like some people here like to make him out to be.
As far as I know, the number of trophies that Allegri has won with Juve is surpassed only by Giovanni Trapattoni, who managed one of the greatest dynasties in the history of world football. By that fact alone he deserves more credit than he often receives, especially on social media.
How we forget the 7th place finishes. How we forget the elimination at the group stage of the CL. How we forget reaching two CL finals. Capello perhaps had one of the most talented sides in Juve history and did squat with the CL.
That's all true, but let's not forget that it was Conte that was the bridge between the shitty Juve sides and the restoration of our domestic dominance. Allegri was lucky enough to step in shit when Conte abruptly left. I'm glad you mention Capello because his tenure and that of Allegrihave been somewhat analogous in the sense that both had the best sides in the league and easily met the requirement that they won the scudetto, but have left us wanting for more in Europe. Not to mention that both play "pragmatic" football. If we are looking to praise relatively recent managers who did well for us, Lippi stands above everyone else. He was at the helm of the most dominant European side in the mid-90s, that won a Champions League and played good football. It's no so far-fetched to expect this side to win a Champions League again and play good football.
True but for all the good football Lippi played he lost 3 champions league finals playing like shit against inferior teams.
But at least he got us the one! I will forever be indebted to Allegri if he can win one; but until then, I don't see his achievements as so extraordinary given a club of our caliber. We've been to 9 finals FFS. It's not as if Allegri got us to our first.
What is not appreciated about Allegri is his ability to adapt the team despite the players management gives & take away, despite injuries, despite form. I do not understand why so many (Twitter land included) are complaining about this current side. It took the group in the CL, it finished the first half of the season with a good cushion and already added a piece of silverware. I like how the team plays. Yes, there are lulls that make you scratch your head. The culprit usually falls with the midfield, especially Pjanic when they lighten up on the accelerator. It is ridiculous hearing that the team is unable to counter. Obviously, those bitching have no understanding how counterattacks work. They ignore how teams play us defensively. No one in Serie A gives us an easy day, whether that team is near the top, middle or bottom. Everyone always gets their game up when they play against Juventus. The league table has us at 53 points. If we can equal that in the ritorno, then we stand to make 106 points, which would be the new record. Under the letter L, there is a goose egg. We have scored 38 goals, only exceeded by Atalanta with a goal more. Defensively, we have only ceded 11 goals. Inter is the next closest at 14. We have 9 points more than second place Napoli. So what is there to whine about?
Poor Allegri, being saddled with Ronaldo, Dybala, Douglas Costa, Pirlo, Pogba....but I digress, please explain for us this "counterattack" of which you speak. Is it a fairly new style of play? Getting back to reality, I'm not sure how you can say we are a great counter-attacking after watching the Milan match where we literally had those opportunities in bunches and it did not look as if the players had a clue what to do. In fact the goal didn't come off a counter. Dominating in Italy isn't a big deal. We did that before Allegri got here. He shouldn't receive accolades for simply repeating what his predecessor did and meeting expectation of dominating a league where no other opposition has a wage bill or players that are even close to ours. We are concerned about Europe...and I'm not sure how anyone who follows this side closely isn't somewhat concerned by the quality of play irrespective of the results. We encountered one of the shittiest Manchester United sides ever and lost at home. We also lost against a Swiss side that has most of us laughing when we just mention their name, and we're supposed to pretend Allegri has performed some managerial masterclass? C'mon. Good manager; not great.
Been following the team from a far for a while now due to RL things and haven't had nearly the time I once did toto re BS but this debate has me tickled cause as I only catch the raray game and my soccer watching habits approach more like that of a neutral due to time constraints ( even if Juventus still has the first place in my sorting heath) . Pragmatically Allegri is one of the best coaches around, but his style is to win with as little evergy spent as possible. He seems to be all about man management and conservation. That has seen us compete infinitely better over three competitions throughout the full season compared to Conte. He's also very good at rotating tactics around the players available to provide a unified and balanced team. The problem seems to me that with that mentality you never fully allow the players to express themselves, which hampers the offense. The tactical schemes are always about solidity in defense then when our players transition to offense we do well on the counter but we rarely "dominate" teams. That's not a huge deal, cause the game is about winning, but at the same time as our talent pool continues to expand and we really do approach the best teams in the world ( both on personnel and fiscally) I'd think you'd have to ask yourself ( if you were Agnelli) whether or not winning in conservation mode is still sufficient for where the brand is heading or at least where you want it to be. Conte had a significantly worse team but had the team playing a more "interesting style" because of its aggression, grinta and tempo - that ruined the ability of the team to maintain multiple competitions over the course of a season. If Zidane is waiting in the wings to coach I'd think it's because, similar to Moratta, Agnelli thinks the team has outgrown Allegri's approach and is in need of someone who can help us reach our full (offensive) potential (especially in CL) while not completely sacrificing man management and tactical cohesion. That might be the next step in getting the brand and becoming the household name to neutrals we are striving to be.
Exactly!!! He also thrashed Barcelona on aggregate and has always done well in UCL. Let's face it here, when the UCL matters we have done well. 2014-15: We lost in the final against Barcelona who was definitely a better team on paper and had MSN in attack. Also just to let you know there were many controversial calls in that game. We were tied 1-1, and then Alves literally pushed Pogba over in the box (clear penalty denied), and because of that it led to the Barcelona counter to score a second goal. That whole thing should never have happened and we should have been 2-1 up (assuming we scored that penalty). Who knows how the game would have gone by then. 2015-16: When we played Bayern in the Round of 16, we played so well accept for the first half of the first leg. After that, we played much better, and not to mention Marchisio had to be replaced by Hernanes in the second half, and Sturaro was subbed on, and we still managed to tie Bayern 2-2 (Bayern was a really strong team back then and one of the favorites to win the tournament). Then in the second leg, we were leading 2-0 against Bayern, and keep in mind by the way: we were playing without: Marchisio, Chiellini, Dybala, and Mandzukic (he came on later but wasn't that fit as just back from injury). A team without 4 key players that was able to almost beat Bayern at the Allianz Arena is insane. No other team was able to even draw Bayern in normal time in their stadium in Europe. And if Evra didn't make that terrible mistake, it would have been game over, and we would have gone through. 2016-17: In the UCL final, Real Madrid were better than us, and remember that in the second half, Pjanic and Mandzukic were injured and really couldn't play but Allegri had to take all risks he could in the UCL final, as they were very key players. That made our midfield really weak but with that saying Real Madrid was an extremely strong side that season (best I have ever seen Real Madrid honestly). 2017-18: That first leg against Real Madrid might have been partly Allegri's fault, however the second goal was insane by Ronaldo, and Dybala was wrongly sent off. That is why Real scored the third goal due to us being a man down. And not to mention we were denied a clear penalty at the very end of the first leg. In the second leg, we were leading 3-0 against Real at the Bernabeu (tell me any other team who was able to do that), and got a controversial penalty against us which cost us the game. That penalty was probably the correct call, but still, there is some excuse to all that. Nobody expected us to even beat Real Madrid at all in the second leg especially at the Bernabeu. So I just want to point out to you that in Europe, all the teams we lost to did have quite a bit better quality than us and were the favorites, and we did not go out without a really hard fight, and some extremely controversial decisions costed us as well.